My Tenant Is Trying To Breach The “No Pets” Policy With A Dog!

We’re encroaching the end of May.

The last time I blogged was in the middle of Feb.

Welcome back everyone!

I’m pleased to say that many new faces have joined the landlord club since I last got down, so they’re about to get deflowered (but sadly, many will never be seen or felt again, because they didn’t quite realise they signed up for).

So, anyways, you know how sometimes – for months on end – falling asleep is infinitely more appealing than getting shit done? Well that’s what happened to me.

Anyways… I’m back! Ironically, even sleeping gets tiring.

My tenant wants a dog (even though we mutually agreed to a ‘no pet’ policy)…

Hi Landlord. Do you mind if I get a small dog? I promise I’ll take care of it, and it won’t cause any problems. I love this house too much to ruin it.

Thanks for asking, but… URGH! (*&*!!@!*(&!!!

Landlord's no pet policy

  • My black-hearted tenant is trying to sabotage our peaceful and harmonious relationship by attempting to overthrow our “no pet” policy. I really thought we had a lifelong understanding here.
  • The property/landlord was marketed as being NOT pet-friendly! As per routine, my advert description contained an entire section on how all animals are magical and mystical creatures, but they’re wholly unwelcome in the particular property being offered (and permission is required if the rules are to be bent, just to avoid any “unfair clause” allegations).
  • Now I’m going to look like the bad guy for tossing my tenant’s request in the bin like a used diaphragm, all because I’m sticking to the deal. The nerve of this guy!
  • Now I’m going to have to be on full alert like an abandoned and malnourished gazelle, because I wouldn’t put it past my inconsiderate tenant to sneak Snowball in through the back doors.
  • What annoys me the most is that my tenant got a little shirty with ME and seemed bewildered for rejecting his request, even though – I’m going to say it again – I’m sticking to the deal we BOTH agreed to! Un-dicking-believable! *slaps forehead*
  • I doubt it will happen, but my tenant could leverage his position [of being a long-term and faithful tenant with a super nice and fair landlord] and call my bluff, believing that I wouldn’t dispose of his carcass onto the streets even if he proceeded with getting Snowball.

    It’s a bet he could possibly win.

    Screw him and my weakness :/

On a side note, it’s amusing that whenever a tenant tries to negotiate a pass for a dog in the middle of a no-pet tenancy (which commonly happens), it’s always *small* and *too cute*, almost like they’re implying that I consciously chose to enforce a “no pet policy” because I was completely oblivious to the fact that small and cute dogs exist.

I know they exist, motherfucker.

I also know the little-bitty one’s are the worst kind; they take twice as many dumps, they smell like old peoples’ homes (urine and cabbage), and they’re horny as all hell.

I actually have no idea if any of that is true, but it works with my narrative.

What’s my legal position if my tenant gets an authorised dog/pet?

None really, well, unless I have reasonable grounds for refusing the request, which I don’t.

From what I’ve been told, the fluff-ball is the size of a hamster, so I can’t refuse permission on the grounds of it being too big and impractical for the property (which would be perfectly reasonable grounds).

I could, of course, refuse to continue the tenancy at the end of the fixed term by serving a Section 21 notice and claim mandatory repossession. That would probably be the quickest and cleanest solution in my current circumstance since the end date isn’t all that far away.

That would teach my tenant. And Snowball, the flea-infested wrecking-ball!

Either way, just to clarify, I’m not saying that repossession/eviction is the best, fairest or most practical solution, I’m just sharing what I believe the legal recall could be, just in case you’re in the dog-shitting predicament and curious to what your rights are.

Why I’m not a pet-friendly landlord…

No! Wait!

That’s an irrelevant question, because the point is we made a pact at the beginning of the tenancy. That’s why my tenant’s request felt like a stab in the heart.

I thought he was different.

If I say I hate Brussels sprouts, don’t invite me around for dinner and sneak a couple of ‘sprouts into your hideous hot-pot concoction hoping I don’t notice. Believe you me, I’ll notice, and it’s your plumbing that will suffer.

Update: apparently my facetious comment above has been misconstrued, because someone came gunning for me (comment #142), thinking that I was threatening to intentionally sabotage my tenants plumbing if she fed me Brussel sprouts (or if she got a pet without my permission).

Sorry Turbo, but you spazzed out over nothing. What I was actually saying is that if someone feeds me Brussel sprouts, the plumbing would suffer because it would result in an almighty and explosive shit (one that I wouldn’t be able to hold until I got home), sure to cause blockages.

Answers on a postcard: how did you interpret my comment?

YOU heartless dog hating piss-ant, you have no soul. I WILL DESTROY YOU. And your dress sense is shit.

Alright, let’s just all calm down.

I know how emotionally charged people get over their pets, especially dog owners, so I wouldn’t be surprised if I’m on the receiving end of an earful. So perhaps I should provide some clarity on my actual position when it comes to animals and pets, because it may save some of you from wasting time on crafting together a scathing and personal attack. But probably not.

I’m not an animal lover per’se, but I do appreciate and respect dogs (and every other living creature). I *probably* wouldn’t ever own a dog myself, because I lack the time and patience, and to be frank, the idea of dog hair moulting all over the place, especially on my alligator rug (which is the centrepiece of my game’s room) – would be debilitating for me.

However, on the other hand, I’m massively aware and supportive of animal rights, and can’t stomach animal cruelty of any form. Even obscenely irritating buzzing flies get guided out through an open window in my house, despite how tempting it is to smack them into an oblivion with my 10 foot pecker.

Should you accept/allow your tenant to have a dog?

Meh, it’s up to you.

I honestly don’t think there’s a right or wrong answer, because there’s legitimate pros and cons for both sides of the coin. However, if you’re anything like me – a lazy twit that does everything and anything to avoid headaches – you’d be better off nipping the idea of being pet-friendly in the butt from the get-go.

My rational for refusing pets is the same as why I don’t provide furnished property – I want to limit the amount of variables that can go tits-up. That’s all it is.

The law says landlords can’t use blanket pet ban clauses to prevent tenants from keeping pets because it’s subject to the unfair terms regulations (which is part of the Consumer Rights Act 2015), but landlords can include clauses that require tenants to request permission if they wish to keep pets (which isn’t a straight prohibition clause). But the problem is, we need reasonable grounds to refuse any requests (e.g. if a dog is too large for the property).

However, in reality, landlords can easily choose tenants without pets, or refuse to continue a tenancy if a back-stabbing tenant that has a change of heart mid-tenancy (like mine did). So while we’re not allowed to rely on or use pet prohibition clauses, we really do have control over the situation.

Is it discrimination to refuse pets?

ZzzzZZZzzzzzZZZ!!

Does a bear rinse its ass in a bidet?

Exactly.

Coincidentally, a couple of days ago, a hippy do-gooder (no offence if you’re reading this, Maxine) left a comment in my ‘landlord & pets guide’ blog post, with a link to a petition on change.org, titled “Stop discrimination towards tenants with pets and children!”

She said nothing else. Just posted the link. Efficient like an assassin.

If you’re all for the cause, then all the power to you- sign the thing (at the time of writing this blog post, there’s an uninspiring 620 signatures, so hopefully this extra exposure gives it the kick up the ass it needs). I’m not against the petition; it’s for a noble cause, no doubt. However, I wouldn’t touch it with yours.

BUT, WAIT!! How can you say you’re massively aware and supportive of animal rights, and then refuse your tenant the right to have a dog, you contradicting rat-weasel?

*shrugs shoulders* Probably, just like how I think homelessness is one of the sadist realities of mankind, but I wouldn’t invite a tramp to live with me. I’ll toss a few coins into The Salvation Army bucket, though.

I do appreciate the problem, and I do sympathise; a lot of good pet-owners get shafted by their evil counterparts. But at the same time I’ve had one too many bad experiences with pet-owners, and I believe I have the right to limit my risks.

But at the end of the day, MY TENANT AGREED TO THE T&C’S! I didn’t move the goalposts.. HE DID! So start a petition against him and every other goalpost moving asshole!!

If you are pet-friendly or considering it…

If you’re game, or in the midst of contemplation, here are a few nuggets to wrap your noggin around:

  • If you’re providing a furnished property, you may want to bear in mind that dogs love chewing, cats love scratching, and both love humping and spunking over inanimate objects.
  • Pet-friendly landlords are often in limited supply, so there’s opportunity to offset the risk by charging above the standard market rate. Like I said, most pet-owners are bat-shit crazy about their pets, so they’ll stump up the extra required.

    But be fair with it!

  • Demand a bigger tenancy deposit than normal, at least 1.5 x rent, or as much as you’re legally entitled to (i.e. landlords in England can only charge a maximum of 5 weeks worth of rent). You’ll probably need it at the end of the tenancy.
  • You can include a mandatory non-refundable deposit to cover the cost of professional cleaning [to scrape faeces out from under the freezer] at the end of the tenancy.
  • Throwing together a solid property inventory is always advisable, but it’s non-negotiable if your tenant comes shackled with a fuzz-ball or two.
  • Have a [fair] pet policy that tenants should adhere to.
  • You should be doing this regardless, but on the off chance that you’re a bit of a wally, you may need this gentle reminder to retrieve references from the tenant’s previous landlords (if they have one, that is).
  • In similar vein to the point above… don’t forget your regular property inspections.

    If Lassy is chewing up your carpets, you’ll probably want to know about it sooner rather than later.

  • I strongly believe that a dog is only as well-behaved as its owner. So if the dog’s a pissing-idiot, then its owner probably is, too. That’s why it’s cool to meet both owner and pet before making any decisions. Judge for yourself.
  • Whatever the animal in question, do your own research on the breed, including their genetic personality and behavioural characteristics.
  • If you have a leasehold BTL, check the T&C’s of the lease, because some state that animals are prohibited from residing at the property.
  • Consider the size of your property and the practicality of the space available. If you’re letting a shoebox flat, it would be cruel to even consider allowing a dog to reside in there. So, arguably, there is a ethical element to consider.
  • It’s no secret, I’m a gigantic advocate of 6 month tenancy agreements for new tenancies (and then permanently allowing it remain a periodic tenancy) – I think all landlords/tenants should initially strike up a 6 month deal to “see how it goes”, especially if fluffy creatures are involved.

    That way, if tits go up and skirting boards get chewed to smithereens, landlords can at least end the tenancy on mandatory grounds pretty quickly without too much fuss.

  • Don’t allow yourself to feel pressured into accepting pets if you’re not comfortable with it.

    Be warned, sob stories from tenants are commonly plentiful in order to sneak pets into the vicinity i.e. my mother is terminally ill, she can’t care after her dog anymore.

    Yeah, really? I want to see a doctors note.

    Rely on common sense and your gut instinct. If those lack, it’s probably safer just to refuse pets without thinking too hard about it.

  • Take into consideration the lifestyle of the tenants; if they’re going to be at work all day (and/or night), bear in mind the dog/pet will most likely be left at home during that time. You do the maths!

So yeah, how about my tenant, aye? What a dick-face for putting me in that position :)

Now, I await with excitement, to hear about your tenant and pet related experiences and disasters. Ideally, I’d like to hear a story that involves an unauthorised Great Dane and excrement the size of dinosaurs. That would be pretty awesome.

Love & peace xoxo

P.s A man walks into a zoo, the only animal is a dog.

It was a shitzu.

I’m laughing.

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Jon 31st May, 2018 @ 20:04

@Riche

You sound like a decent landlord with your pet permissiveness. Your mention a ‘non-refundable pet deposit’ and I would just throw in a note of caution about referring to it as non-refundable as it is very likely that it should be protected at least according to TDS
https://www.tenancydepositscheme.com/news/blog/use-a-pet-clause-to-protect-you-from-pet-claws/

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Torrie 5th June, 2018 @ 04:38

I'm in total agreement with you. I grew up with dogs however they have always lived outside of our home (kennels, or semi-outdoor conservatories) but never indoors. It is because we know how destructive they can be - even though they could just be asking for attentions.

Currently I'm boarding in my landlord's home, and she had brought in her daughter's cat (as said daughter is going overseas for 6months). Even though said pet cat is pretty mild and well behaved for most cats, it is still annoying as this cat pees on the floors despite having a litter box (luckily it dumps its poo in the litter box though). And whenever the landlord is away I'd have to clear out its litter box and deal with its mess, feeding it, listening to it meow annoyingly to be let out or let in (arghh..!).

I'm in the process of getting my own home, and boy when I do, I'm definitely having a no pets rule - and if I do relent just a bit, and only to dogs, mind you, they'll have to be outdoors dogs, NOT indoors ones.

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The Landlord 5th June, 2018 @ 09:36

@Torrie,

Nice to read an open and empathetic point of view from the tenant, that's quite unusual! Appreciate the fact that you shared it.

I think many tenants with pets take it personally and think landlords are just plain unfair and cruel for refusing pets. When that's usually not the case.

While the majority of us want to provide comfortable living conditions for our tenants, we also need to protect our investment (obviously I don't need to explain that to you).

Thanks again for sharing.

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Catherine 26th July, 2018 @ 15:04

Landlord.
Where have you been? It's July FFS. You just keep buggering off and leaving us hanging. You're forcing me to come out of Lurkerdom and post shit.

There are some tenants who live here on my block of flats who tried owning a dog. I don't know if they were just chancers or thick as mince. I suspect the latter. The whole building of 59 flats is banned from pets. They brought this thing our into the car park every day and didn't think anyone would grass them up.

It's possible they might have gotten away with it a bit longer had they not let it use the entire car park as it's own personal toilet and left tire-marked faeces lying around in 30 degree heat. People get a bit sick of that soft of piss-taking crap.

It will never cease to amaze me how much of self absorbed bubble some people live in.

This is why, grudgingly, I do accept why landlords usually refuse pets and I'll have to accept I'll probably never own one again as long as I am stuck in rentals.

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The Landlord 26th July, 2018 @ 21:29

@Catherine,

Oh wow, that wasn't just a threat, you really did post a pile of steaming dog shit! :)

Haha, keep your hairy chest on, I've been around. Mostly melting in this ridiculous heatwave.

Not surprised people got sick of that. I'd have to agree on your diagnosis - the tenants definitely seem to be as thick as mince.

You'd think that they'd make a special effort to clean up the dog's faeces considering that they shouldn't have it in the first place.

If anything, you've encouraged me to go underground for longer periods of time, because I like it when you come out to play!

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Chris 3rd August, 2018 @ 00:57

The thing you have to realize, is that not all dogs take a piss in the flats / houses and chew on things.
If you get a reference from a previous landlord, who allowed a pet, and it's positive, I don't see a reason why you should be afraid of letting the tenant bring their pet along. Or if the tenant offers to cover the costs of repairing any damage, and/or has offered to pay more for the deposit. I understand your fears, and wouldn't like if someone lived in my house, brought a pet that is destructive, done some damage and just left. There are ways of evaluating a pet (pet interview, yeah it's actually a thing), rather than adopting a shotgun approach, and just saying NO to all pets.

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Elaine 17th September, 2018 @ 20:10

I'm a newbie here so will need your help a lot I feel! My initial problem is: I have a 'no pets' contract but my tenants snuck in 2 kittens (maybe they thought I wouldn't notice the smell from the cat litter tray that is full of feceas or the smell of urine permeating from under the newly laminated floor). I felt I had no option but to say ok. However, I did insist they get the cats spayed (I don't think the tenants will bother to do this though). The kittens have climbed through the venetian blinds in the kitchen and bedroom so the blinds are now ruined. When I do an inspection, do I mention the blinds and ask for them to repair/replace them or do I have to wait until they leave and take it out of their deposit (sadly, I don't think their deposit will cover all the repairs needed)? I will not be renewing their tenancy after the 6-months is up.

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Ben 21st September, 2018 @ 18:15

How original ... yet another bully landlord that wants the rent money and also complete and utter domination over their tenants lives .... you are entitled, disrespectful and verbally abusive towards the person you signed a contract with, contract that has been mutually beneficial for what looks like months...how dare your tenant dare breathe and sleep on the premises.... my god they might even be cooking and showering there too shreak!!! Here’s an idea how about your leave the property empty and pay your own damn mortgage each month.
Before you start making sub-intellectual assumptions about me, I own two properties and I’m currently renting one out to a lovely couple with two dogs.
I believe in treating my tenants with human decency and not forgetting the right to peaceful occupation.... something you clearly don’t know anything about

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The Landlord 21st September, 2018 @ 19:31

@Ben
Genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. It's almost like you didn't even read the blog post.

I’m currently renting one out to a lovely couple with two dogs.

So what? I've let a property where a tenant's dog crapped all over the floor. I've also let a property where a cat ripped up all the carpets. Having learned from my experiences, I'm trying to minimise my risks.

I'm not bullying anyone. I'm sticking to the terms of the tenancy agreement, which the tenant agreed upon. HOW DARE I abide by the agreement!!

Irony...

Before you start making sub-intellectual assumptions

how dare your tenant dare breathe and sleep on the premises

Exaggerating and making up nonsense. ZzzzZzzz.

No assumptions required, the proof is in the pudding.

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J.C 18th October, 2018 @ 07:28

@Landlord
Looks like you've got yourself into some virtual elite! as more and more often some individuals come here only to post a link to their own somethings, apparently seeing the blog as good lever for advertising. Good on you on erasing the spammers promptly but congratulations anyway; looks like soon you'd need to moderate comments before allowing them to appear, how advanced is that! mister online tycoon :-)))

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The Landlord 18th October, 2018 @ 11:29

@J.C.
Yeah, those pesky spammers are a right pain in the ass!

I can easily moderate each and every comment before they get published, but then I'll constantly have to monitor the comments, which may cause irritating delays for those that leave comments. Catch 22! :/

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M.A. 21st December, 2018 @ 19:59

Even when pets have no accidents, no stress related behaviors (i.e. chewing, scratching or marking territory), there still is an animal smell left by departing tenants. There may be animal hair in the heating vents, along or behind baseboards and even in light fixtures. How many tenants clean these areas.

I have had the smell, the hair, the fleas but surprisingly not the poop or pee (yet). It is more work to keep checking on tenants' pet care/responsibility and cleanup is more involved. So I have drafted a animal addendum for my lease that tenants must sign whether they claim no animal or declare an animal. I have them sign it because it makes even the animal sneakers more responsible for their pet.

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Me Some 29th March, 2019 @ 16:01

I understand all points of view here, and as someone who has married a lass with two (non shedding) dogs, renting is now a huge problem.
However, if any Landlord asked for a non-returnable pet deposit, I would be willing to pay this. As irrespective of how clean and well behaved any pet is - the next tenant may be allergic to your pet and it would only be right for a landlord to demand monies to have the property professionally cleaned after I vacate.
So landlords - I hear you, I agree with you... and I think £500 should cover it.

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Quin 2nd May, 2019 @ 20:07

I feel the need to point out that you can’t refuse a service dog - eg a medical alert dog, guide dog - on the basis of a no pets policy. Or any basis. Service animals are legally allowed to be wherever their Partner is

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N.O 15th July, 2019 @ 07:50

I hear you all, and as landlord myself, in the last 4 years renting I always stuck with the no-pets clause. Now, though, I am in a corner: the wife has depression, and the doctor suggested a pet would be helping (indeed, there is an overwhelming documentation on this). I tried suggesting the landlord I'd accept an increase in rent, clean-up at my expenses once finished, and payment for any damage a kitten might cause, and had a blanket refusal nonetheless. I know this sounds like a sob story, but that's how it is. I'll probably move once I have finished my tenancy, in the meantime, it's down to tough choices. I have been advised I can claim against the Discrimination Act, but I'd rather keep this amicable....

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Amy 5th August, 2019 @ 23:06

Hot damn, you sound like the world's biggest douche bag.

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Mike Hunt 5th January, 2020 @ 03:57

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Land_Reform

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Dave 8th March, 2020 @ 12:05

You are a shining example of all that is wrong with this country. You run a business. Running a business means taking a risk to end up with a profit. You do not get to dictate how people live their lives.

It surprises me that someone of your greater than average intellect isn't aware that your tenants are actually legally entitled to request to keep a pet. You as the landlord can then only refuse that on reasonable grounds.

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The Landlord 8th March, 2020 @ 12:17

@Dave
Oh, the level of irony is painful.

And, as someone who is running a business, I'm legally entitled to choose my level of risk, am I not? Who are you to tell me what kind of risk I should be taking with my own business?

I will be making the SAME profit if I accept a tenant with or without a pet, only my risks increase with a pet. Tell me the sense in that, Peter Jones?

I am not dictating how people live their lives. I made my position clear from the offset in my advert, my tenant applied KNOWING the T&Cs.

Would you be, for example, dictating how someone else lives their life if you made a conscious decision not to date a smoker (which you have always been upfront about)? No.

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NotSoNewbieLandlord 8th March, 2020 @ 12:55

@Dave, your comment is ridiculous and laughable.

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J.C 8th March, 2020 @ 15:52

Hehe we are like The Landlord's little army ;-)
The truth is though that the law *in this country* is contructed in a way that tenant can behave like a spoilt kid and still leave unscathed and landlord needs to be the responsible adult plus pick up all the bill.
But it looks rosy from outside doesn't it, Dave? should try it some time and you'll get what calculating risk is in this cosy business and will stop contradict yourself.

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Vaidotas 17th April, 2020 @ 15:59

For landlords to refuse pets without a reasonable excuse and proof has been illegal since 2016, as well as its not illegal anymore to break that part of the contract, if a tenant wants to keep a dog, they can as long as they don't damage the property or as long as no one else in the property is allergic, if a tenant is smart enough, they can take their angry landlord to court, sue them, claim money and then once contract ends naturally because it would be illegal to break it without justifiable reason (and no, just because the place was advertised as no pets allowed, does not count as justifiable because let's not forget, saying you can have no pets to a tenant is illegal since 2016) so aside from making yourself look like an animal hating jackass, a smart tenant could sue you

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Vaidotas 17th April, 2020 @ 16:10

I did forget to add that any landlord that has taken their tenants to court for breaking that rule has lost the case, and the tenant was allowed to stay in the property with the pet until the contract has ran out, and with even more pro pet groups growing, landlords are losing even more stance, and as a landlord you should really - read - the law and not assume what the law is, e.g. A tenant could take you to court and sue you for damages and harassment if you try to force them to get rid of the pet or threaten them with eviction, and get a nice claim of several thousand pounds, because there are numerous reasons a tenant could use anywhere ranging between an illegal contract (one that states you can't have pets) to repression of self worth and their own personality same way as hair colour, decorations of the room and etc, as they all fall under the same legal protection, so there are many ways for a tenant to sue the landlord for thousands if they were to get assy with them about them getting a pet, look up any legal cases that have been going on around these subjects through the legal index or talk to a notable lawyer and not one you get behind a corner of an asda store

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The Landlord 17th April, 2020 @ 16:15

@Vaidotas
That's such poor and impractical advice.

It's almost impossible to prove that a landlord refused an applicant because they have a pet.

Secondly, a tenant can't just move a pet into the premises without permission from the landlord if they didn't originally have one at the start of the tenancy. The tenant needs to ask permission first, and then the landlord has the opportunity to refuse if they have valid grounds.

But even if the landlord does not have valid grounds, the landlord can just serve a S21 notice if they are that unhappy about it.

Your blasé comments should not be taken too seriously if anyone is "smart enough", in my opinion.

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Vaidotas 17th April, 2020 @ 16:22

@Landlord

1. The tenant doesn't have to have a pet when they move in, even if they move in and sign a contract saying no pets they can get a pet on a later date and ask as a - courtesy - now at that point as a landlord you have no right to say no to them, and even if you do, they can still legal go over you and get a pet, because again, illegal to say no

2. The only time a landlord can tell a tenant to leave whilst contract is active, is if the tenant has a proof that the pet has damaged the property or one of the other tenants is allergic to it.

3. Since 2016, you cannot evict a tenant if you cannot provide a valid reason of eviction, e.g. Not paying rent e.g. Breaking the - legal--parts of the contract

A landlord cannot under any circumstances evict a tenant for having a pet, again, look at any case of landlord vs tenants after 2016, the no pets claus is illegal that's why it's ignored by court

And I'm speaking from experience suing my previous landlord for £500 and then still keeping my deposit and moving out to a nicer place after

A smart tenant with the right lawyer can bankrupt an ass hole landlord

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The Landlord 17th April, 2020 @ 16:27

@Vaidotas
I have no idea what you're talking about.

1) Firstly, you're contradicting your own point. You said that a landlord can't refuse a pet without "reasonable excuse". So obviously a landlord needs the opportunity to present their reasonable excuse i.e. the landlord should be notified.

2) A section 21 notice is "no fault" repossession. No grounds for eviction are required. You only need grounds for eviction when serving a section 8 notice.

This is a prime example of how a little knowledge is dangerous.

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Vaidotas 17th April, 2020 @ 16:36

1. I also corrected that area by pointing out what classes as reasonable excuses for a landlord to ask a tenant to leave as the examples were made not by me by Robert Jenrick after ordering the gov to rewrite the tenancy model and remove all restrictions on pets, with minor exemptions like the ones i named

E. G. Damaging property, one other tenant being allergic

Not happy about it? Take it up with the government

2. Section 21, according gov website -

You will have at least 2 months notice but you don't need to leave when this ends, your landlord has to follow certain rules for the notice to even be valid, your landlord must go to court to evict you lawfully, and you can challange an invalid notice in court.

The full eviction process takes 7 to 8 months.

If your landlord tries to evict you themselves without a court, it's considered an illegal eviction.

That's on gov website, you can read it yourself, again, I've dealt with a landlord like you in court. It's not hard as long as you know what you're talking about.

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The Landlord 17th April, 2020 @ 16:55

*slaps forehead*

I know what a Section 21/8 is, and I'm aware of what the process is. But you're completely missing the point because you're trying to hash together pieces of legislation you don't really understand, and that's why you had to Google Section 21 and copy/paste what the Gov website says.

You said a landlord can't evict a tenant for having a pet.

I said a landlord can repossess their property through a "no fault" process if the landlord is displeased enough (which you were clearly oblivious to), and actually, that's easier than serving a S8 and going through the eviction protocol.

Now you're telling me how much notice we need to give tenants for a section 21 notice, and what happens if the tenant refuses to vacate the premises. That's a completely separate issue.

The point is: it's not in the tenant's best interest to get a pet if the landlord isn't pet-friendly, because the landlord can just serve notice and not renew the tenancy.

Most tenants will NOT want that. A section 21 is the easiest way for landlords to remove tenants. So that's why your ramblings are impractical and poor - they don't consider any repercussions.

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FedUp 9th May, 2020 @ 12:12

Wow... The straight up douche-baggery here is astounding. Selfish and ignorant, every word in this blog post is a shining example of everything wrong in this world. Sounds like you are in the wrong business and in it for no other reason than looking for a quick buck by taking advantage of people needing a home, using their income to supply you with the luxuries in life they will never afford, yet are paying for you to enjoy, while you do NO work to earn that rent. I bet you wear a bluetooth earpiece in everyday environments and your building(s) are just *peachy* to live in.../s

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The Landlord 9th May, 2020 @ 12:42

@fedUp
Yeah, definitely straight up douche-baggery, for having learned from previous experiences.

It can be incredibly difficult for landlords to recoup costs for damages these days. You're clearly not a landlord or able to objectively look at the situation.

"I bet you wear a bluetooth earpiece in everyday environments", yup. I'm actually speaking into mine now to auto-type my response to you.

"Ignorant", oh the irony.

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NotSoNewbieLandlord 9th May, 2020 @ 17:21

@FedUp are you ok hun? You seem stressed.

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Devkaleon 20th May, 2020 @ 18:53

Oh yeah how dare this asshole ask instead of just sneaking in a dog? How dare this dick change his mind after a few years of being an awesome tenant, mind you, and check up on what you think. Your previous experiences don't mean shit, unless they are with the same person. if they did anyone should stop doing anything after a shit experience. Truth is you refuse to trust a grown man to take care of a dog after he has proven he is trustworthy. Of course he would be disappointed. Agreement or not. He just asked, and you are acting as if he has put a snake in your bag. He should leave so maybe you get to appreciate the luck of having a decent tenant, cause many people don't need a dog to mess up your flat.

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The Landlord 20th May, 2020 @ 19:12

I agree, how dare my tenant!!

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Vaidotas 20th May, 2020 @ 19:28

Seeing as this discussion is still going on

1. Advice to any tenant, just don't do any deals with landlords that don't let you have pets, boycott them if you have to

2. About the reprecautions the landlord speaks about, in reality the only issue of you having to go through court after your landlord spends 6 months trying to evict you(because legally not allowed to kick you out on the spot and you can dispute as much as you want) use that time to find another landlord that lets you have pets, also read your contract, most landlords have out of date contract and you may be able to sue the landlord for numerous reasons.

But point is, the only downside, or upside, depending how you look at it, you won't have to deal with assholes landlords like this, because there are plenty of landlords that allow you to have pets

Boycott assholes, rent or buy from people that are more understanding.

Ps:landlord in these threads would class as an asshole

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NotSoNewbieLandlord 20th May, 2020 @ 19:45

Well I certainly hope tenants with pets boycott me!

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The Landlord 20th May, 2020 @ 20:11

"Advice to any tenant, just don’t do any deals with landlords that don’t let you have pets, boycott them if you have to"

How is that even boycotting?

You're essentially telling tenants with pets not to deal with landlords that don't accept tenants, which is EXACTLY what landlords want. Yet, tenants like yourself are getting pissy about it.

And yes, every landlord that isn't pet-friendly - and makes it clear from the offset - is an asshole.

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Benji 20th May, 2020 @ 20:20

@Vaidotas,

Thing is mate, I'm a pet friendly landlord and I doubt you'd even get a reply let alone a viewing for one of my properties.

Ever noticed how shit tenants tend to get shit landlords?

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Catherine 21st May, 2020 @ 20:06

Christ I get an email every time one of you wankers comments on this you know. It's even more boring than that bloody Nigerian prince who still hasn't paid me.

Get over it Vaidotas, wish you'd boycott this thread.

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Mike 22nd May, 2020 @ 18:55

OP I'm going to keep this really brief.....Your an absolute over privileged asshole and "No pet" policies should be in all honesty illegal if there is no reason stated initially. We're in a day and age where getting onto the housing market is hard (I'm in the middle of saving right now) and quite frankly you should have just as much right to own a pet as a house owner if there is no reasonable reason why stated at the beginning of the tenancy agreement then it should not be enforceable.

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James 14th August, 2020 @ 07:40

Firstly, your blog post completely fails to mention assistance dogs and that you have no right or reason to refuse them. In fact, the tenant doesn’t even need to notify you if they get an assistance dog. Because they are classed as mobility aids. So, enjoy that fact.

Secondly, you’re acting like the simple act of *asking* is a betrayal?! Are you actually out of your mind? How has he betrayed you by asking a question? The whole point of “asking a question” is asking for *your consent*. It’s a recognition of your authority and respectful of whichever decision you take on the matter.

Your mindset is absolutely ridiculous.

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The Landlord 14th August, 2020 @ 08:06

@James
What's absolutely ridiculous is that it's obvious you didn't even read the blog post, yet you've gone off on one on your high-horse.

I clearly state that landlords can't blanket ban pets/dogs without reasonable grounds for refusing (which I didn't have). So why would I even circle out assistance dogs?

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Emma 23rd August, 2020 @ 08:08

I stumbled across your blog and I am disgusted with your choice of words in this. Regardless of the fact you want pets in your property or not, the way you talk about your tenant is horrible, and I am glad you are not my landlord because of how disrespectfully you speak of your tenant for asking for permission to have a pet - you don't ask you dont get, you're entitled to say no, but you don't need to be a rude name
calling prick. Well done for being a tosser.

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Joe Beach 9th September, 2020 @ 22:30

I got a few paragraphs in and had to stop reading. Round about the part where your stupid fucking arse said, “I couldn’t take dog hair on my alligator rug” then followed up by “I hate animal cruelty etc” yet you have a fucking rig from an animal?

You thick cunt.

I’m a landlord, I’m 25, I also have a dog. I allow my place to have pets, simply because people shouldn’t be denied that due to the fact you’ll have to clean carpets or paint when change of tenants. But btw you should be doing that between tenants anyway, money grabbing fucks. There’s so many positives to having tenants with pets. Get to the the tenants, you’ll soon tell if they could
Look after a pet properly or not. 85% can. Don’t make the food suffer cause you want more cash. Letting property is a business, no mate how big/small. So therefor landlords should have expense... it’s not a fucking isa account building uo every month.

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The Landlord 10th September, 2020 @ 07:29

I got a few paragraphs in and had to stop reading. Round about the part where your stupid fucking arse said, “I couldn’t take dog hair on my alligator rug” then followed up by “I hate animal cruelty etc” yet you have a fucking rig from an animal?

You thick cunt.

*slaps forehead*

Embarrassing.

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Fen 19th October, 2020 @ 23:23

I wish fewer landlords were like you. Our housing system isn't a fair game. Some people will rent for their whole lives through no fault of their own.

If it was up to business owners, tenants wouldn't even move in, because that would save more money.

That's what reading this article feels like as a responsible renter. The UK desperately needs more housing stock.

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The Landlord 20th October, 2020 @ 09:15

@Fen
Fewer landlords like me? You mean, so you want less landlords that adhere to the terms and conditions?

Our housing system isn't a fair game. Some people will rent for their whole lives through no fault of their own.

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Justin Passing 11th November, 2020 @ 13:05

OP you sound like an unhinged dickhead. The tenant is asking before doing anything. Re being vindictive/threatening to mess with their plumbing: you shouldn't be in a position of responsibility over other people if you're going to hover threats over them if they don't play ball. You sound, excuse the phrase, mental, and dangerous, and you shouldn't be renting if that's your attitude.

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The Landlord 11th November, 2020 @ 13:07

@Justin Passing
Huh? Where did I threaten to sabotage plumbing? I would never do that. You may need to read what I wrote properly...

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JustAnotherTenant 15th November, 2020 @ 10:05

Wow, just came across this post, saw the original comments from 2017, and was just enjoying the back and forth with my virtual popcorn, then I saw that you where still replying into Nov 2020!

I'm a tenant but I like to think pretty respectful. I always pay my rent on time, I do whatever I can to keep the property in good order. I lived in my last place for 3 years, and got back 90% of the deposit, and the only bits that where taken out where for painting some walls, which I agreed with my landlord because I didn't want to do it.

I've been living in this new property for 5 months or so now, and I like to think me and the landlord get on pretty well, he is very friendly. I don't have any pets, right now and I remember seeing in the tenancy agreement that it was no pets.

I'm not bothered about the laws or what my landlord can and can't do, I respect him and the house too much just to get a pet and not ask (even though that's what everyone seems to say), but I do want to ask for one. I think one the main takeaways from your post is that you where annoyed they asked for a pet even when the agreement said no. SO my question is, how can I ask my landlord if he would consider a pet, without ruining the relationship. I don't want the renewal to roll around and he kicks me out!

I feel like its worth noting the house already has a cat flap from (I'm guessing) the previous owners, and only 3 rooms in the entire house have carpet the rest are all laminate ( I think thats the right term) flooring, as well as that, the neighbors have cats that routinely crap in the garden that I always clean up (When I see it).

So do you think it is worth even asking him? Am I risking too much by putting him in an awkward position? I want to stress that he can say no without reasonable grounds, like it is his house, if he wants to say no he can. But I am also willing to re-carpet and fix whatever damage may be done from the pet!

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GonnaMoveSoon 18th December, 2020 @ 15:04

You are an incredibly dense and entitled asshole. You surely deserve the worst from your tenants and I wouldn't be surprised if all your disappointment comes from tenants deciding to take a piss in the middle of your house along with their dog on the day before they move. You act as if your tenants are not human (which is actually your case). Just wait for a housing market crash, I hope you go bankrupt.
Btw, shitty landlords seem to get shitty tenants. You're no exception to this rule.
He decided to ask instead of sneaking a dog in and making you wait half a year to get rid of him. And your stupid senseless mind wouldn't notice that's also the term of the contracts you make, so no point in making them short if that's the time you'd need to get them out. Really, you deserve no respect as a landlord from a hypothetical someone who was desperate enough to rent something for you.

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ireadyourpost 20th December, 2020 @ 00:13

This post is an interesting case study on what kind of bad landlord you can get and why you absolutely need to meet the landlord before signing anything and be very careful who you do business with.
You are very skilled at projecting your own shitty personality to your "black-hearted", "backstabbing" tenant lol. At the same time you sat there to think about the ethical elements of keeping a pet (and any reason you can pull up, you know you don't give a shit about them) in a small space but not about the ethics of denying people companionship by an animal let alone the situation they may be in when they decide to take a big responsibility. Caring for a dog is not easy and people may have hard times in their life when they decide to get one.
And also you feel backstabbed by a pet request and I suspect you would be surprised if a tenant felt the same if you wanted to raise the rent opportunistically or charge a lot of extra money for small things. This is not how maintain a good relationship with someone who uses your property every day and could make you spend quite a lot of money out of pocket to be able to rent it again at the prices you want.
You wouldn't admit it but you are exactly what you accuse your tenant of and probably worse. I'm willing to bet you do minimal to no maintenance on your rented property, charge unfair prices for anything, ignore your obligations as landlord but expect tenants to fulfill theirs fully. You are probably the kind of senseless asshole who enters the house unannounced and feels backstabbed when you end up with police up your ass.
Good news is you are likely to be a magnet for renters who don't give a shit about your property.

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