Landlord Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm Regulation & Release Form

Apologies in advance for what will probably unravel to be one of the most mundane and disengaging blog posts of the year. I wouldn’t wish this article upon my worst enemy, because there’s absolutely nothing exhilarating about a couple of inanimate devices that you can’t install apps or watch porn on, that’s for damn sure.

However, I need to discuss the important issues like the new ‘Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm Regulations’, despite how devastatingly uninteresting and unamusing they are, because it is now officially a landlord’s legal responsibility. Although, if I searched deep into my cold bloody soul, I’m sure I could find something hysterical about a tenant in several months of arrears being burnt alive to a crisp because a smoke alarm wasn’t supplied. But I won’t, because it’s just plain distasteful.

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Landlord Tenant Smoke Alarm

Landlord Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm legislation requirements

So, the million dollar question (once whittled down to its purist form)… do landlords need to supply smoke alarms?

The short answer: yes, some will.

All landlords in England (not Wales at this point, although I’m not sure why) will be required to comply with what some people have labelled as the “life saving law” (a bit dramatic, if you ask me) by October 2015, which demands the following:

  • Install a smoke alarm on each floor of the premises on which there is a room used wholly or partly as living accommodation.
  • Equip a carbon monoxide alarm in any room of the premises which is used wholly or partly as living accommodation and contains a solid fuel burning combustion appliance (e.g. a coal fire, wood burning stove).

    Err I don’t really know what qualifies as a “solid fuel burning combustion appliance”, so I would personally supply one in every property.

  • Check that each prescribed alarm is in proper working order on the day the tenancy begins if it is a new tenancy (this part only applies to “new” tenancies that start on and after the 1st of October 2015).

    Yes, the alarms need to be checked on the day the tenancy begins, so that means landlords/agents need to meet all new tenants at the property now on the day the tenancy begins! That’s probably a normal ritual for self-managed landlords, but agents usually expect tenants to collect the keys from their local branch- it seems like that may have to change now. I wonder how many agents will now throw on a compulsory “check-in” fee…

To clarify, it is the landlords responsibility to ensure the legislation is complied with, not the letting agents or anyone acting on behalf of the landlord. Although, all good agents should have informed their landlords of the legislation, and helped facilitate with the compliance. If they haven’t informed you, it might be worth going into medieval-mode; walk into their office with your own blood smeared over your face (because that’s glaringly scary and psychotic) and start smashing shit up with a sledgehammer, while demanding to know what you’re paying them for.

That’s what I’d do anyways.

You actually wouldn’t be a total donkey to assume there was already a legislation in place to enforce such basic and useful safety requirements, but remarkably, there wasn’t. While you may not have looked into the Landlord and Tenant Act(s) in its entirety (generally, no one normal with a life has) and read the actual words, you probably just assumed it’s tucked away in there somewhere. Well It’s not there.

That said, it makes you wonder what kind of drivelling fools are running the show, especially when you bear in mind that Energy Performance Certificates (EPC) became mandatory several years ago. Here are a few interesting stats for you: since the EPC legislation became into play it’s 1) never been used 2) never saved a single life.

Ok, so the Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm Regulations is a legal requirement and it all seems relatively pretty straight forward on the surface. But there has been criticism from “experts” on how it’s all been hashed together rather quickly, and consequently documented rather poorly. Granted, it has all been a bit slap-dash, but I wouldn’t get bogged down with the politics, just do yourself a favour and make sure you’re compliant. In reality, most sensible and normal humans won’t have to lift a finger, because they’ll already be compliant. Or at least 70% compliant, so it shouldn’t entail much extra work.

It has to be said, besides from the dog-shit legal documentation which is riddled with unanswered questions and confusion, the principle of the law seems to have broken the mould from being total nonsense. The last few that got passed were a total waste of time and money, at best. Although, I have heard some miserable bastards make mumbling remarks about how tenants should be responsible for their own safety. My response to that is, screw the tenants, asshole! What about the safety of our property(s)? Installing smoke alarms benefit both tenants and landlords; it could be the difference between a burnt kitchen and an entire property that’s been reduced to smoking rubble.

Official Government Documentation & Guides

Legislation
You can read the full legislation (currently in draft version) over here on the Gov website. As with all legislations, it’s edge-of-the-seat stuff and it’s written in plain English so us mere mortals can understand. No, really! Enjoy :)

The Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015: Q&A booklet
Fortunately, the Government has also issued a short’ish Booklet which is in plainer English. I definitely recommend for ALL landlords to read it, even if that means in-between wipes while on the crapper. It includes useful guidance, like where you should place the devices.

You can download it from here.

What if I don’t comply?

Good question. I also always try to determine if it’s worth dodging a few requirements if it means I’m able to fund an extra annual holiday to Magaluf.

Failure to comply can lead to a civil penalty being imposed of up to £5,000 by the local authorities. Suppose it’s also worth mentioning that lives could be saved with your compliance (because that’s nearly as important as money). According to this article on the Gov website, enforcing this legislation will help prevent up to 26 deaths and 670 injuries a year.

Unfortunately, in this case, I’m not convinced the gamble of going without is worth it, so you may as well do as you’re told and roll over.

It has been emphasised that there is NO grace period, so landlords that have tenancies that started before October 2015 MUST comply by that date, and tenancies that start on or after October 2015 must be complaint when a tenancy begins!

Testing & placement of devices

The regulations do not stipulate how to test the alarms or where the alarms should be placed, just that at least one smoke alarm should be on every storey and a carbon monoxide alarm in every room containing a solid fuel burning appliance.

However, the guidance notes does stipulate that you should follow the individual manufacturer’s instructions when installing the alarms. The instructions should also mention how to test the alarms. I would recommend following the manufacturer’s instructions and then file them away for safe keeping.

Most devices have a “test” button- pushing that to ensure the alarm triggers should be enough, in my opinion.

Landlord Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm maintenance

You may notice there’s nothing mentioned about “maintaining” the devices, only ensuring they’re in proper working when a new tenancy begins. The guidance notes say, “After the landlord’s test on the first day of the tenancy, tenants should take responsibility for their own safety and test all alarms regularly to make sure they are in working order.”

However, some level of maintenance by the landlord before a new tenancy begins, in-between tenancies and perhaps during property inspections isn’t a bad idea and can prove to be beneficial.

  • Airborne dust and contaminants can interfere with an alarm’s ability to detect smoke/toxins, so it’s important to clean all detectors in accordance with the manufacturer’s instructions. There are plenty of resources available online (e.g. YouTube tutorials), which will guide you through efficient maintenance practices. Do a little research.
  • Even with regular cleaning and battery changes, smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors don’t last forever. Old devices can randomly fail, even if they “look” clean enough to eat your dinner off of and/or use as a prop for your exciting and imaginative sex-life. I read somewhere that it’s recommended to change them every 10 years.
  • If you’re a new landlord that has just purchased a new property and you’re not sure of the history of any installed alarms, it might be worth replacing them with new ones.

My landlord hasn’t fitted the appropriate alarms

If you’re a tenant and your landlord hasn’t complied with the regulation, you should contact your local housing authority and lodge a complaint. The guidance notes states the following on the matter:

The local housing authority will be responsible for enforcing the regulations. They will be able to issue a remedial notice requiring a landlord to fit and/or test the alarms within 28 days. If the landlord fails to comply with the notice, the local housing authority must, if the occupier consents, arrange for the alarms to be fitted and/or tested. The local housing authority can also levy a civil penalty charge on the landlord of up to £5,000.

Carbon Monoxide Alarms

Most sensible landlords will already supply smoke alarms, but you’ll be forgiven for neglecting Carbon Monoxide alarms, because they’re equivalent to the ugly sister- rarely ever spoken about or touched unless completely intoxicated, and by the morning- you don’t even want to remember.

Smoke alarms detect smoke generated by flames, while Carbon Monoxide alarms detect dangerous Carbon Monoxide (which is a toxic gas) levels, which can be caused, for example, by malfunctioning fuel-burning appliances (e.g. log burning stove). I don’t really understand the technicalities, but the devices sound useful.

You can buy smoke alarms and Carbon Monoxide alarms as separate devices, but you can also find dual purpose devices, which act as smoke and Carbon Monoxide detectors. They’re all pretty inexpensive, ranging from £5 and upwards. But generally, I don’t see any reason to spend more than £30 on both devices. Either way, I think we can all agree they’re relative cheap life-savers (and property).

Needless to say, similarly to when any new legislation is introduced, I’m sure many letting agents will try to take advantage of the situation by conjuring up spectacularly creative ways of profiteering from it. So, if for example, you’re explicitly told that you need some special kind of device that is only accessible through their supplier(s) and can only be installed by their recommended tradesman, just give them the finger and be on your merry way.


I did a quick search on Amazon, and the most popular Carbon Monoxide alarm is this…

While the cheapest is this…

Here’s a dual purpose device, which detects smoke and Carbon Monoxide levels…

You may find that some devices are battery powered, while others are mains powered. The law doesn’t specify between the two, they just need to be in good working order. But if you plan on getting a mains powered alarm(s), you may want to factor in the additional costs of an electrician to install the little buggers.

All my properties have main powered smoke alarms and I’ll be supplying separate battery powered Carbon Monoxide alarms to those that don’t already have them.

Based on what it says in the ‘Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm (England) Regulations 2015 booklet’ provided by the Government, I don’t even think I need to supply the latter, but I do anyways to cover my back. In the guide it says, “carbon monoxide alarm in any room containing a solid fuel burning appliance (e.g. a coal fire, wood burning stove)” – instead of two examples, an intensive list or definition would have been useful (that’s just one example of why I labelled the documentation slap-dash and generally shit).

Landlord Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Alarm Release Form

Still awake? Cool. Not long left now. You’ve done well to last this long.

Let’s move onto good practice and protecting your ass against finger-pointing and alleged negligence. That bullshit can be a right pain.

The thing with smoke and carbon monoxide alarms is that they have a miraculous habit of going missing, especially when they’re not connected to the mains. I honestly don’t know where the tenants shove them, but they’re often not in the same practical place I last saw them. Very strange, especially since there’s not a big market for domestic second-hand smoke detectors. But then again, I’ve had a tenant walk away with plastic window levers. The mind boggles.

Add the ‘mystery of the disappearing alarms’ with the growing desire of every Tom, Dick and Harry wanting to take legal action over bullshit to make an easy buck, you may quickly realise it’s better to put a preventative in place. So while the use of a release form isn’t part of the requirements, I would highly recommend doing it for your own protection.

At the beginning of a new tenancy (which may include a new tenancy with the same tenants) get the tenant to confirm the following (assuming the points have been covered):

  • 1) There is a working smoke alarm on each floor;
  • 2) There is a working carbon monoxide alarm in each room which contains a solid fuel burning combustion appliance;
  • 3) All devices have been properly tested.

I know what you’re thinking. Well, at least those of you that managed to bag a couple of GSCE’s: a good inventory should cover the first two points. That’s true. But many landlords don’t bother with inventories because they’re not legally required, but also, there’s no harm in getting confirmation on a release form specifically for this regulation.

At the bottom of this post, you can download and use a template release form.

Your thoughts…

So, here’s a riveting question that will transform your knickers into a delicious soggy mess… what are your thoughts on the legislation? Is there anything you wish to add? Grab the mic and say your piece!

If this blog post has you on the edge of your seat and gasping for more (which would be totally unimaginable), you maybe interested in the Landlord Legal Responsibilities, Obligations & Regulations post, which covers a lot more of the cool landlord requirements.









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Phil 16th September, 2015 @ 06:51

Fuck, that was boring.

Didn't want to disappoint you on the first post. Who is bat shit crazy enough to have a solid fuel burning combustion appliance in a rental? All my appliances (save the boiler) are electric.

You could have started with the £5000 and saved me having to read the rest.

Clear and useful post - as ever. Thx.

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Bob 16th September, 2015 @ 08:23

Yep, fucking boring, but I have just fitted new co2 meters in all my properties, the manufacturers stated that the devices should be fitted in the sleeping areas and not in the same room as the appliance as previously stated. Also I was led to believe that properties with gas boilers needed this device, am I mistaken?
Anyway new co2 meters and fire blankets all fitted for about a tenner a flat is a small price to pay so you can tell the tard from the council your one step ahead.
Electrical updating will be my next fucking boring investigation.
Keep up the good work

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The Landlord 16th September, 2015 @ 08:48

@Phil

HA, I appreciate the fact you took my expectations into consideration.

I'm guessing appliances like a coal/log fires are more frequently found in cottages, in particularly holiday lets, in Cornwall, or somewhere as equally isolated.

You'd definitely be crazy to have them in more suburban areas!

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The Landlord 16th September, 2015 @ 08:54

@Bob

The incomplete details in the legislation does make everything a bit baffling.

In the guide provided by the Gov, it says the following:

Carbon monoxide alarms must be installed in rooms containing an appliance that burns solid fuel. This means appliances that are powered using a type of solid fuel, such as coal, wood etc.

In the Department’s view, a non-functioning purely decorative fireplace would not constitute a solid fuel burning combustion appliance.

I'm assuming if that included "gas boilers" it would have stated so since it's one of the major appliances in most properties. However, I think for the sake of a fiver, it's better to be safe than sorry and just supply one anyways (that's why I've supplied one even if I don't think I need one).

In regards to the positioning of the devices, the guide says:

The regulations do not stipulate where the alarms should be placed, just that at least one smoke alarm should be on every storey and a carbon monoxide alarm in every room containing a solid fuel burning appliance.

However, it does also state:

You should follow the individual manufacturer's instructions when installing the alarms. However, in general, smoke alarms should be fixed to the ceiling in a circulation space i.e. a hall or a landing, and carbon monoxide alarms should be positioned at head height, either on a wall or shelf, approximately 1-3 metres away from a potential source of carbon monoxide.

In the event that the manufacturer's instructions conflicts with their "general" guidance, I'm assuming the former wins!

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Kelly 16th September, 2015 @ 09:42

It doesn't apply in Wales because housing is devolved to the Welsh Assembly. Just in case you wanted more boring to add to your boring.

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Simon 16th September, 2015 @ 09:52

Common Potential Sources of CO

Gas appliances – Gas or wood burning fireplace – Gas or Oil boiler – Clogged chimney flue – Portable gas or kerosene heaters – wood burning stove.

CO and CO2 – What’s the difference?
It’s easy to understand why people confuse CO-carbon monoxide and CO2-carbon dioxide. The names sound the same, they both are colorless and odorless gases, and at high concentration, both can kill you.

The media doesn’t help. Back in the old days, movies taught us that you could commit suicide by sticking a garden hose in your car’s tailpipe and window, then gunning the motor till the CO put you to sleep. Today they tell us the car’s tailpipe is a major source of the greenhouse gas CO2.

It’s important that you understand the difference:

About Carbon Monoxide

CO does not occur naturally in the atmosphere
CO is the result of oxygen-starved combustion in improperly ventilated fuel-burning appliances such as oil and gas furnaces, gas water heaters, gas ovens, gas or kerosene space heaters, fire places and wood stoves
CO is generated by any gasoline engine that DOES NOT use a catalytic converter
It is the most common type of fatal poisoning in many countries
CO Recommended Levels

OSHA limits long-term workplace exposure levels to 50ppm (parts per million)
Symptoms of mild CO poisoning include headaches and dizziness at concentrations less than 100ppm
Concentrations as low as 700ppm can be life-threatening
About Carbon Dioxide

CO2 occurs naturally in the atmosphere, and is required for plant life
CO2 is a natural byproduct of human and animal respiration, fermentation, chemical reactions, and combustion of fossil fuels and wood
CO2 is generated by any gasoline engine that DOES use a catalytic converter
CO2 poisoning is rare; however scuba divers have to watch out for it (the bends)

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The Landlord 16th September, 2015 @ 11:01

@Kelly
Haha brilliant, thanks fo... ZZzzzzz!

@Simon
You officially took uninteresting to a new level! But I do appreciate the clarification :)

Interesting that the Gov guide didn't mention the more popular appliances that release CO (Gas appliances – Gas or wood burning fireplace – Gas or Oil boiler – Clogged chimney flue – Portable gas or kerosene heaters – wood burning stove.), but chose to opt for using coal and wood burning stove as examples.

In any case, I think everyone is safer if they just supply one!

@Bob
I apologise, seems as though I stand corrected, you were correct!

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Paula 16th September, 2015 @ 11:27

Interesting post (aye right...)

What about in Scotland? My (ex) letting agents keep pushing me to have a hard wired smoke alarm installed saying it's the law (and their cost for installing!). I've got a battery operated smoke alarm in the property (1 bed flat) and 2 carbon monoxide alarms. Surely this is ok??

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The Landlord 16th September, 2015 @ 11:39

@Paula

I'm not entirely sure about Scotland to be honest, but based on this guide provided by the Scottish Government, hard wired smoke alarms aren't required.

An alarm should be installed in accordance with the recommendations
contained in BS5839 Part 6 and the landlord should ensure the alarm is
regularly maintained in accordance with manufacturer’s
recommendations. The fitting of a hard wired smoke alarm may require a
building warrant and the relevant local authorities should be consulted.

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Helen 16th September, 2015 @ 15:48

Although we all had plenty of warning about this legislation, I think we can be forgiven for not taking any action so far, because the government is notorious for dropping potential legislation at the last minute. In fact, as the landlord mentioned there has been a delay to this one;
On 8th September the House of Lords refused to pass the Regulations saying there had been no consultation and agents and landlords did not have enough time to comply. The Regulations may therefore be modified regarding the date all properties must comply.
I totally agree that we should all have already fitted alarms of both sorts in all our properties, but as agents we have to persuade sometimes reluctant landlords to spent their money.Imagine if we had insisted that they all had mains fire alarms, then when the proposed law was dropped they could have sued us for multiple refunds.

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The Landlord 16th September, 2015 @ 16:01

@Helen
Completely agree with everything you said!

I know there's been talk of it being delayed until January 2016 now. But for the moment, October 2015 is what's documented, and that's all we really have to go by.

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Helen 16th September, 2015 @ 16:27

Received the following e-mail from ARLA 2 minutes ago;

Smoke and Carbon Monoxide Regulations will now become law on 1 October 2015 meaning that all properties in England - whether existing tenancies or new tenancies - will need to comply with the regulations by Thursday 1 October 2015.

If local authorities are notified that a property is not compliant, the landlord will be issued with a remedial notice which will allow them 28 days to comply.

The regulations - which were rejected by the House of Lords last week - were debated in a session in the House of Lords on Monday 14 September and approved in a delegated legislation committee, resulting in enforcement in England from 1 October.

While supporting the principle that all tenants should benefit from working smoke and carbon monoxide alarms ARLA has worked with members of both Houses to campaign for a practical lead-in schedule for the regulations.

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Bob 17th September, 2015 @ 08:23

Just to say, what a great site. pretty tedious but loads of info, keep up the good work.

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Amanda 17th September, 2015 @ 18:04

Finding your info really helpful as a new landlord - thanks and keep it coming. Just looking at your recent update on carbon monoxide alarms - found a great price for Kidde CO alarm at Costco £8.38 (inc VAT) valid from 21/09/15 until 11/10/15. Get yourselves down to Costco!!

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The Landlord 17th September, 2015 @ 18:19

@Helen
Brilliant, thanks for the update. I've updated this blog post.

I assume you'll be confirming with all your landlords now! Good luck with that one :)

@Bob
Thanks, appreciate it.

@Amanda
Many thanks, appreciate it, and thanks for the tip, very useful for those that have a local Costco!

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Geoff 18th September, 2015 @ 14:20

Always best to check with your local council they may already have byelaws which go the extra mile. My local authority require mains powers alarms which I've wired to the permanent live supply to the light sockets.

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The Landlord 18th September, 2015 @ 14:23

@Geoff
Ahh, thanks for letting us know.

I'm guessing the mains powered alarms are required under the selective licensing scheme?

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TheAngryLandlord 20th September, 2015 @ 04:02

Not sure why folks think the blog was boring...but then I am a dorky engineer.

Some really good points raised like the protect your arse release form...I also do the same with the Fire Risk Assesment form and also sadly all the requirements imposed by the council through a selective licensing scheme (for those not subject to one yet... That would make a really interesting rant/blog).

I guess agents will figure out some way to start charging landlords a check-in service for sticking a finger on a smoke alarm test button...you could always leave the pre-dated form in the house for tenant to sign on the day but that still might not work...

The one thing I never have really got my head around is that it's fair enough to install a CO alarm near the gas boiler (even thoug the law doesn't strictly require it) but then do others install one in the room with a gas fire as well..... In the living room it'd be as ugly as a regurgitated doner kebab on Sunday morning....

Section 21 next? Can't wait.... Still loving the blog.

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Riley Franklin 21st September, 2015 @ 11:23

Thanks for putting together this very useful post. One point to bear in mind is that is shows the amount of legislation that landlords must adhere to is growing ever longer. This begs the question whether it is not better for a landlord to hand their property or properties over to a managing agent. I have found a firm that deals with everything, from finding tenants to day-to-day maintenance plus property repairs. This allows me to benefit from the rent I receive while not putting myself at risk of breaking the law.

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The Landlord 21st September, 2015 @ 11:38

@TheAngryLandlord
Ha, I think (or at least hope) they were being facetious when they said it was boring.

I already had a little rant about the selective licensing scheme, which you can (hopefully) enjoy here.

I guess agents will figure out some way to start charging landlords a check-in service for sticking a finger on a smoke alarm test button

Haha, 100%! I'm sure they'll be milking the situation.

Well, from what I've understood, a CO alarm is required in every room with a “solid fuel burning combustion appliance”, which I believe does include a gas fire. So essentially, you may need multiple CO alarms per floor!

The thought of a regurgitated doner kebab after a piss-up literally makes me gag. But fair and accurate comparison. I suppose there is opportunity to strategically place them on shelving (the Gov's booklet says they should be positioned at head height), so they're hidden away. But ultimately, I would stick to the manufacturer's instructions suggestions, which may or may not suggest that it's perfectly reasonable/safe to keep them hidden away on shelving.

Thanks again, TAL!

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The Landlord 21st September, 2015 @ 11:45

@Riley Franklin

Thanks for the comment.

Yup, the legislation definitely is getting longer... and in some cases more complicated.

While I do understand your point, the problem is that not all letting agents actually follow or are completely aware of the legislations. But more importantly, it is ultimately the landlords responsibility to ensure the legislations are met, not the hired helps. So even the landlords that choose to use managed services should be aware of the laws, that way they can be sure they are being met... because if they're not, it will be the landlord wearing the cuffs.

I have no problems with landlords using managed services, it suits some landlords better. However, I don't think that should ever be a reason for landlords not-knowing their legal responsibilities and best practices.

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Lisa Payne 22nd September, 2015 @ 10:59

When it says 'testing' between every tenancy...is that the device has power which is easy to check or do they mean you need to do a smoke test every time?

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The Landlord 22nd September, 2015 @ 11:04

@Lisa
My understanding is that you just need to test the device has power- most alarms have a test button to press, which triggers the alarm. Assuming the alarm triggers, that should be enough, I believe. Moreover, the alarm manual should specify how to correctly test the device.

I don't think you need to hold a burning flame near the sensors to ensure it triggers, because then you won't be able to turn the bloody thing off until it decides it's safe. I definitely won't be doing that.

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Pete 24th September, 2015 @ 22:34

Great article put in the usual entertaining way. The rules and regs re' gas and co/co2 safety are full of holes e.g. its quite o.k. to do the Sunday roast with all rings blazing along with the oven where there are co' gases spewing everywhere!! Surely, a better idea would be starve some of the ridicules law makers of another gas called 'oxygen'!

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Sarah 30th September, 2015 @ 09:26

Would love to receive your updates.

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Monabri 6th October, 2015 @ 17:21

Is this actually a law - I had a look on the parliament web site and it seems to have stalled at stage 2 of 12. I'm not saying don't install them (I've just installed 3 in one property alone) cos they're a good idea. As far as I can see the bill is still at 2nd reading in house of Commons.

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Monabri 6th October, 2015 @ 17:25

If you want boring let's look at legionella bacteria - the stats suggest you are very unlikely to contract it. Still, it seems like there's a new kid on the block for service charges for landlords.

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The Landlord 6th October, 2015 @ 17:37

@Monabri
It became law on the 1st of October, the legislation on the Gov website may not have been updated yet!

The whole legionella certificate/testing thing is a money-making scam by agents! Anyone 'competent' can do the assessment, and in most cases a visual assessment by the landlord will suffice.

The risk in domestic properties are small, especially where combi-boilers are installed.

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Monabri 6th October, 2015 @ 18:14

Thanks for the quick reply. Just goes to show you that you can't believe what the Government (website) tells you - well I never! Can we open up a discussion on rising damp and unscrupulous "engineers" with their protimeter survey master meters - arggh my blood pressure.

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Lucie 4th December, 2015 @ 08:43

Yes lets put CO2 alarms up for solid fuel that's really rare nowa days but GAS boilers - bah they'll be fine - no need to detect leakage in those - and when there's a fire they can put it out with their newly legionella tested water!

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EMMA THE LANDLORD 20th January, 2016 @ 17:01

Where do you stand if your stupid, lazy pig of a tenant has removed the alarms???? I have put in writing that they had 7 days to put it back up and make sure it is fully working. But what if they don't?

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The Landlord 20th January, 2016 @ 17:31

@Emma
I'm pretty certain it's their responsibility to maintain the alarms, which includes keeping them installed! We, as landlords, just need to ensure their working on the day the tenancy begins.

Make sure you keep all communication on this issue documented to cover your back.

Why the hell would they remove them though? Are they smokers, by any chance?

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Trish 23rd March, 2016 @ 21:03

I was advised that smoke detectors detect particles in the air, ergo steam from a shower could set one off. Your local Fire & Rescue Team (Fire Brigade) will give advice on best practice for location within the property. Oh and they usually have a dedicated officer for Older People, so if your tenant is of a grand age and maybe restricted on mobility, F&R may fit a smoke detector with a 10yr life battery....FOC :)
I came across an instance recently where a Landlord received a letter from Social Services advising that after one of their assessments the tenant (hearing impaired) required Assisted Technology in the form of a special vibrating gismo under the pillow and cited the law! Naturally the letter wasn't very clear, told friend to find out if they were just looking for Landlord permission to supply & fit and not jump to the kerr-ching worry straight away!

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