Why The Fuck Do The Council Side With Rent Dodging DSS Criminals?
Written by The Landlord on 08 Apr 2010Why is it that when a DSS tenant falls into arrears, the local council ADVISE them to stay in the property until they are able to be legally evicted? A landlord cannot serve an eviction notice until a tenant is 2 months in arrears, and from my experience, the council are only too eager to point that out and consequently tell the tenants to sit tight until they have abused the entire 2 months and more.
Whichever top-management piss-stain conjured up this formality needs to be peeled like an onion and tossed into a bowl of vinegar. Harsh? Nah. Why? Because…
- 1) The council are paying DSS tenants benefits which is meant to contibute towards their rent. The tenant is obviously spending their allowance on other shit, yet the council are STILL giving them advice on how to prolong the eviction process, allowing the landlord to gain maximum financial losses.
- 2) Landlords are actually doing the government a favour by housing DSS tenants. Eventually landlords will refuse to accept DSS tenants because of the current corrupt system – what will the government do then?
The council can argue that they are merely informing the tenants of their legal rights. But I’m saying that’s bullshit, because I know based on experience that they “advise” the tenants to stay in the property until they legally have to vacate, and that’s strictly different than “informing” It’s ridiculous.
If there was any justice in the world, the council would:
- Stop all benefits for the rent-dodging shithead until the balance is settled
- Tell them to get the fuck out of the property, and NOT advice them on staying in the property until they’re 2 months in arrears
- Tell them to stop fucking taking the piss, because there are genuine people out there that deserve benefits
But no, apparently patting the parasites on the back and providing them with guidance on how to cause as much damage as possible is the way forward!
I remember when one of my DSS tenants was in arrears. I had full intentions of evicting her, which she made clear to the council. She was then advised by the council to get a letter of intent from me, because she was told that if she could prove that she was going to be made homeless, she could be fast tracked onto the council house waiting list. Seriously, WTF?
If it were up to me, and it’s probably a good thing it’s not, I would happily provide the rent dodger with a sleeping bag and a few empty boxes, and wish them the best of luck.
When someone is receiving benefits, yet fails to pay rent and continues to receive support from the Government, you know something is seriously messed up.
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The Landlord2010-04-09 07:06:29
Ha, thanks! Although, it's not really a rant about DSS tenants per'se - it's a rant about the system! :)
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Lucy2010-04-09 08:17:39
I couldn't agree with you more. Makes my blood boil. The whole system acts like landlords are evil land barons who have pots of money and are evil for evicting people who don't bother to pay rent. Some of us (in fact probably quite a few) are hard-working people who have been forced into renting our properties out due to negative equity and can't afford to lose rent payments. This country does nothing for the people who keep it moving with their hard work and tax contributions and I'm sick and tired of it.
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Sam2010-04-09 10:26:42
At least now, the recent court case means that we can start the arrears from the day the rent was due, rather than the day the council system decides to pay us! Means we don't have to wait 8 weeks any more to get paid direct
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adam2010-04-25 12:17:36
Sam, what court case is this? Do you have a link to it. Thanks.
I agree this new DSS 'paying the tenant' system is outrageous . The minimum councils should do is ban these DSS claimant from receiving rent directly if they have abused the law before. Secondly Landlords should be allowed to check with the council if their future tenant has had problems paying in the past.
DSS tenant a few years ago were considered guaranteed paying tenants as the landlords received the rent directly. Also so long as the DSS tenants had any sense of respect and manners, they were easy to deal with and problem free tenants. However as a result of this new system where the council pays the tenant, this security and peace of mind has evaporated.
I agree this new DSS 'paying the tenant' system is outrageous . The minimum councils should do is ban these DSS claimant from receiving rent directly if they have abused the law before. Secondly Landlords should be allowed to check with the council if their future tenant has had problems paying in the past.
DSS tenant a few years ago were considered guaranteed paying tenants as the landlords received the rent directly. Also so long as the DSS tenants had any sense of respect and manners, they were easy to deal with and problem free tenants. However as a result of this new system where the council pays the tenant, this security and peace of mind has evaporated.
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Sam2010-04-26 18:15:40
i can;t remember off the top of my head - have a look at NLA website think one of the cases was Doncaster Vs. ??
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Moses2010-05-24 18:41:38
This website supports wicked landlords and cruel landladies. Some landlords prefer DSS tenants because they can be sure of payment, that is if it is paid directly to them. The hitch is that the landlord then starts to play God and refuse to repair the property etc.
If you are on DSS never allow the rent to go to the landord. Let it go to you and you then pay him. Landlords are a nightmare. They hire thugs to bully tenants out of properties in London. They are also excellent character assassins. The neighbourhood is likely to believe them. If you are bullied report to the police for safety and seek legal advice.
Some Council officials engage in property fixing with landlords. They meet at local pubs for deals. Beware! Your council caseworker may be a friend of a 'criminal' landlord or gang. Let us hope that the Cameron/Clegg government will sort things out.
If you are on DSS never allow the rent to go to the landord. Let it go to you and you then pay him. Landlords are a nightmare. They hire thugs to bully tenants out of properties in London. They are also excellent character assassins. The neighbourhood is likely to believe them. If you are bullied report to the police for safety and seek legal advice.
Some Council officials engage in property fixing with landlords. They meet at local pubs for deals. Beware! Your council caseworker may be a friend of a 'criminal' landlord or gang. Let us hope that the Cameron/Clegg government will sort things out.
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Twattybollocks2010-05-25 11:52:27
Oh fuck off Moses!
If you have proof that some council officials "engage in property fixing with landlords" then provide it. If you have proof that "They meet at local pubs for deals" and "Beware! Your council caseworker may be a friend of a 'criminal' landlord or gang" then again provide the evidence.
Grow some bollocks and back up what you are saying or are you too scared of being sued?
Otherwise shut the fuck up and stop wasting our time.
Love
Twattybollocks.
If you have proof that some council officials "engage in property fixing with landlords" then provide it. If you have proof that "They meet at local pubs for deals" and "Beware! Your council caseworker may be a friend of a 'criminal' landlord or gang" then again provide the evidence.
Grow some bollocks and back up what you are saying or are you too scared of being sued?
Otherwise shut the fuck up and stop wasting our time.
Love
Twattybollocks.
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chantell2010-06-09 12:17:26
I think this is jokes.
I am a university student living off a student loan and have a 12 week old baby. i don't get any benifits all i get is £75 a week to pay rent with. but i can't find any where to live cos i off that 75pw cos apprently i'm on dss nevermind that i have to pay for the other 100 odd pound myself. how is that fair?
feels like i'm being punished for trying to get an education and get a decent job. yeah i made mistakes and i know having a child while studing probably wasn't the best idea but i wouldnt change it for the world.
i've always had a job since i was 16 paid tax i pay tax on my loans and wen i graduate in a year i will get a job and pay tax for the next 40 years. and now that i ask for something bk i get nothing. yet people that have lived here for less then year and people who have no reason not to work other then they can't be bothered get 6 bedroom houses and rent paid for them.
I think landlords are being unfair sterotyping everyone on dss. but also the council need to sort themselfs out and pay on ti,e and people will be more inclined to rent to people on dss.
sorry rant over
I am a university student living off a student loan and have a 12 week old baby. i don't get any benifits all i get is £75 a week to pay rent with. but i can't find any where to live cos i off that 75pw cos apprently i'm on dss nevermind that i have to pay for the other 100 odd pound myself. how is that fair?
feels like i'm being punished for trying to get an education and get a decent job. yeah i made mistakes and i know having a child while studing probably wasn't the best idea but i wouldnt change it for the world.
i've always had a job since i was 16 paid tax i pay tax on my loans and wen i graduate in a year i will get a job and pay tax for the next 40 years. and now that i ask for something bk i get nothing. yet people that have lived here for less then year and people who have no reason not to work other then they can't be bothered get 6 bedroom houses and rent paid for them.
I think landlords are being unfair sterotyping everyone on dss. but also the council need to sort themselfs out and pay on ti,e and people will be more inclined to rent to people on dss.
sorry rant over
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Twattybollocks2010-06-09 16:39:58
Fair enough Chantell, BUT you chose to have the child.
Who is trying to punish you? Get the father of your child to pony up the dough and provide for you and your baby. You say you would not change it for the world but you chose this route and have to live with the consequences of your actions.
I totally agree that it is disgusting that people get homes for doing F*** all but my job is to provide a roof for MY family and at the moment the risk of taking on DSS is too great.
Example. You get your rent paid to you but suddenly your baby gets sick and needs extra food/nappies/care etc. What is going to come first? Baby or Landlords rent? Go figure why DSS get a bad name. Now that is a HUGE stereotype and I apologise for using it, and I am sure you are different, but the fact is it happens. And yes, before you all get your pantyhose in a twist, I know this can happen to private tennants too.
Is it right? NO
Is it just? No
Is it going to change? No
TB
PS: Hope you and your baby are well - good luck in your studies.
Who is trying to punish you? Get the father of your child to pony up the dough and provide for you and your baby. You say you would not change it for the world but you chose this route and have to live with the consequences of your actions.
I totally agree that it is disgusting that people get homes for doing F*** all but my job is to provide a roof for MY family and at the moment the risk of taking on DSS is too great.
Example. You get your rent paid to you but suddenly your baby gets sick and needs extra food/nappies/care etc. What is going to come first? Baby or Landlords rent? Go figure why DSS get a bad name. Now that is a HUGE stereotype and I apologise for using it, and I am sure you are different, but the fact is it happens. And yes, before you all get your pantyhose in a twist, I know this can happen to private tennants too.
Is it right? NO
Is it just? No
Is it going to change? No
TB
PS: Hope you and your baby are well - good luck in your studies.
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CouncilsSuck2010-06-24 22:16:24
I do feel sorry for landlords, seems like the system is totally messed up. However the council seem determined to make people completely poverty ridden until they will actually help some people (like advising them to sell their house which they have no reason to do in order to pay the bills as they refuse to give them benefits that they may be entitled to ie) incapacity benefit, not someone who's just a lazy b*stard) so I can't blame those DSS recieptiants who FINALLY get it to keep it.
In my case, I've finally convinced the council to give me something towards private rented accom after 6 months of living with relatives with my new baby (horrah!), shame it doesnt actually afford anywhere to live as everything went sky high.
By the way, the "you chose to have the child" stuff,...Get off the high horse as life generally ain't that simple less those life altering decisions are as easy as deciding who your evicting.
In my case, I've finally convinced the council to give me something towards private rented accom after 6 months of living with relatives with my new baby (horrah!), shame it doesnt actually afford anywhere to live as everything went sky high.
By the way, the "you chose to have the child" stuff,...Get off the high horse as life generally ain't that simple less those life altering decisions are as easy as deciding who your evicting.
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studaples2010-07-08 13:18:13
you greedy money garbing b*****Ds deserve all you get, if you can afford more than one dwelling then take it like the fat greedy f***er you are :-)
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Twattybollocks2010-07-08 13:54:03
Studaples - if you are going to have a go, do have the decency to at least spell and use your grammar correctly. It's 'grabbing' not "garbing" and 'f***ers' not "f***er" as you are intimating plural.
Oh yes - do try to start your sentence with a capital letter.
Twattybollocks
x (big kiss just for trying)
Oh yes - do try to start your sentence with a capital letter.
Twattybollocks
x (big kiss just for trying)
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ll0012011-03-24 16:46:18
Happened to me too. Many years ago now. Wirral Borough Council refused to help my tenants find somewhere smaller when some of the kids became adults and left. They said that I'd have to start court proceedings before they even started helping them and in the end we lost rent and paid court and bailiff fees.
Landlords are easy targets to help fund the welfare system.
Landlords are easy targets to help fund the welfare system.
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nick2011-06-12 20:02:09
I have a tenant who has made up his own tenantcy taken it to EEDC council to claim benefits saying his company are the landlords and are refusing to pay me any rent until I prove its fraud they would not look at any of my evidence at a meeting I had with them he has since been arrested for fraud but I still can not get the rent until we have the outcome of his arrest has any body had this before
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david franklin2011-09-06 07:32:05
as someone on benefits not through choice im disgusted with landlords shitty attitudes towards d.s.s tenents as we all get tared with the same brush ! i am a carer for three of my daughters who are disabled two i might had caught meningitis b from a school teacher and were left sevearly disabled , both myself and wife work long hours with our children starting at 5 am and sometimes not finishing til the early hours on little enough benefits .
up until this happening ten years ago i worked 18 hours a day but since being on benefits our local council wont house us and landlords wont help either as they think we are all like rab c nesbit , im now looking at taking a landlord to court for discrimination and hope the shit gets took to the cleaners not for the cash as im not interested but to get across to landlords your not above the law ! ive known landlords charge stupid money for the shityist of properties to folks on benefits so its not all folks on benefits are bad landlords are too so if you want to slag of those on benefits look in on landlords aswell .
there are alot of genuine folks who need good landlords not money grabbing shits who are only in the game to bleed folks dry.
up until this happening ten years ago i worked 18 hours a day but since being on benefits our local council wont house us and landlords wont help either as they think we are all like rab c nesbit , im now looking at taking a landlord to court for discrimination and hope the shit gets took to the cleaners not for the cash as im not interested but to get across to landlords your not above the law ! ive known landlords charge stupid money for the shityist of properties to folks on benefits so its not all folks on benefits are bad landlords are too so if you want to slag of those on benefits look in on landlords aswell .
there are alot of genuine folks who need good landlords not money grabbing shits who are only in the game to bleed folks dry.
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Garfunkle2011-09-24 23:27:39
People are generally good honest people, however I support TwattyBollocks in his/her comments. Unfortunately the issue is that when it comes to 'money' the 'majority' of even these good people are still prepared to 'get away with whatever they can'.. I know this from experience. They'll avoid having to pay their dues if they can at the cost of others.. why would they care? they don't know the landlord and the majority certainly don't give a toss about the hand that feeds them (council). This society is 'take take take'!
Most of us were not dealt aces when we dropped on this planet.. most of us are in fact dealt quite the opposite.. this does mean you do not pay what you owe and does not mean you get a free ride!
Those people who 'scam' their way though life usually deserve the unhappy life they have got... period.
Money for DSS tennants should be paid direct to landlords (there is not debate here).. rent needs to be 'guaranteed', if the mortgage isn't paid the landlord can lose the house!. If rent can't be guaranteed then get the fuck out of the property the day you know you can't pay.
Irresponsible landlords should be prosecuted for neglecting their responsibilities if they have been paid their rent.. it's that simple!
p.s. anyway.. why shouldn't a landlord be able to evict you immediately if you don't pay your rent????? the banks take houses off landlords if they don't pay their mortgages!!!!
Do me a favor rent dodgers.. fucking grow up!!
Most of us were not dealt aces when we dropped on this planet.. most of us are in fact dealt quite the opposite.. this does mean you do not pay what you owe and does not mean you get a free ride!
Those people who 'scam' their way though life usually deserve the unhappy life they have got... period.
Money for DSS tennants should be paid direct to landlords (there is not debate here).. rent needs to be 'guaranteed', if the mortgage isn't paid the landlord can lose the house!. If rent can't be guaranteed then get the fuck out of the property the day you know you can't pay.
Irresponsible landlords should be prosecuted for neglecting their responsibilities if they have been paid their rent.. it's that simple!
p.s. anyway.. why shouldn't a landlord be able to evict you immediately if you don't pay your rent????? the banks take houses off landlords if they don't pay their mortgages!!!!
Do me a favor rent dodgers.. fucking grow up!!
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Henna2011-10-14 20:08:06
My DSS tenants from hell have even dodged the utilities in my property, first they set up gas, electric, water in my name, defaulted them by not paying any bills and now they have changed all the bills to few other fake names. I havent received rent for 4 months. I am in the process of evicted them.(but they want me to evict them so they can get their council house, this is their dream come true:-)) does anyone know if i can get them done!! for stealing my identity and running up bills in my name.
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Chris2011-11-23 13:57:02
Henna,
You can try and have them done for fraud.
You can try and have them done for fraud.
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Lee2011-12-13 21:36:02
I'm in the same situation at the moment. We let out our 4 bedroom flat to a DSS person and her 5 year old (they weren't DSS when they moved in). We're really only renting it because it was on the market for a year and didn't sell, and we had to keep up with mortgage payments. We've moved into a smaller rented place in the meantime but are coming to the end of the lease.
My tenant hasn't paid her rent for almost 2 months and asked us to serve her notice so that she could get a council house. She is due to move out on 9th January but the council has (typically) advised her that she should stay on until we get legal posession, which can take months.
We've now given notice on our own flat and intend to move back into our place on the 10th. We have a 1 year old son and will be homeless if she doesn't go. What the hell kind of society do we live in???
I'm turning up at her door with my bags on the 10th and moving in regardless. It's my flat, and whilst legally I can't evict her I'm not sure what the law says for 'sharing' the place :-)
My tenant hasn't paid her rent for almost 2 months and asked us to serve her notice so that she could get a council house. She is due to move out on 9th January but the council has (typically) advised her that she should stay on until we get legal posession, which can take months.
We've now given notice on our own flat and intend to move back into our place on the 10th. We have a 1 year old son and will be homeless if she doesn't go. What the hell kind of society do we live in???
I'm turning up at her door with my bags on the 10th and moving in regardless. It's my flat, and whilst legally I can't evict her I'm not sure what the law says for 'sharing' the place :-)
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Benji2011-12-14 01:29:10
Lee,
Good luck with the sharing idea mate but you havent a hope.
Quickest route is under ground 8 (2 months rent arrears). 2 weeks notice before applying.
Also look into mandatory grounds for possession, ground 1: owner-occupier. 2 months notice before applying.
Three points to help on ground 1;
1. Did you serve notice that you once lived there and may need to move back in.
2. Is it included in the wording of your tenancy agreement- it sometimes is.
3. Did you verbally tell your tenant you were an owner-occupier and might be moving back.
Even if none of the three apply, if you put up a good case, a court may decide its 'just and equitable' to grant possession on this ground.
Good luck with the sharing idea mate but you havent a hope.
Quickest route is under ground 8 (2 months rent arrears). 2 weeks notice before applying.
Also look into mandatory grounds for possession, ground 1: owner-occupier. 2 months notice before applying.
Three points to help on ground 1;
1. Did you serve notice that you once lived there and may need to move back in.
2. Is it included in the wording of your tenancy agreement- it sometimes is.
3. Did you verbally tell your tenant you were an owner-occupier and might be moving back.
Even if none of the three apply, if you put up a good case, a court may decide its 'just and equitable' to grant possession on this ground.
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