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	<title>Comments on: Same Libel Threat, Different Person Threatening Me</title>
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		<title>By: Billy</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-94347</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jun 2010 00:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is true that a statement, even if defamatory, is not libelous if it is true. However, it does not necessarily prevent the person (or company) claiming libel from bringing a case against you. In UK law libel and damages are assumed and the onus is then on the accused to prove that the statements are true.  The accuser simply sits back watching your finances dwindling, the very reason why so many libel accusations are not defended. You&#039;re very fortunate because most ISP&#039;s immediately remove websites at the slightest allegation (true or false) of libelous statements or they lose their protection under UK law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is true that a statement, even if defamatory, is not libelous if it is true. However, it does not necessarily prevent the person (or company) claiming libel from bringing a case against you. In UK law libel and damages are assumed and the onus is then on the accused to prove that the statements are true.  The accuser simply sits back watching your finances dwindling, the very reason why so many libel accusations are not defended. You&#8217;re very fortunate because most ISP&#8217;s immediately remove websites at the slightest allegation (true or false) of libelous statements or they lose their protection under UK law.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Codrington</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-84210</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Codrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 13:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d notify the Bar Standards Board (http://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/) that Claire/Charlotte is abusing her experience and standing as a barrister to intimidate you into action.

Seems like a load of tosh if you ask me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d notify the Bar Standards Board (<a href="http://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.barstandardsboard.org.uk/</a>) that Claire/Charlotte is abusing her experience and standing as a barrister to intimidate you into action.</p>
<p>Seems like a load of tosh if you ask me.</p>
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		<title>By: Jools</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-81533</link>
		<dc:creator>Jools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil wadsworth is right,

you cannot serve or be served with legal documents via email.

Jools</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil wadsworth is right,</p>
<p>you cannot serve or be served with legal documents via email.</p>
<p>Jools</p>
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		<title>By: RomeoVictim</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-81529</link>
		<dc:creator>RomeoVictim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 19:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Landlord

Hope all is well, am greatly admiring you for standing up for all that is good and right!

You know where to find me if your hosting company has any problems, it&#039;s great to hear they are a sensible company by the seems of things, please do pass my details on to them as I am the one who made the true statements which are being falsely claimed as libelous and I will do everything I can to assist.

Would be very interested to see the letter your hosting firm has received - interestingly Richard Davies and Richard Davies have still failed to respond to the straight forward questions asked of them! I wonder if that is a sign of how genuine their comments are on this forum? I keep watching the forum with baited breath...

Keep up the great work!

RV1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Landlord</p>
<p>Hope all is well, am greatly admiring you for standing up for all that is good and right!</p>
<p>You know where to find me if your hosting company has any problems, it&#8217;s great to hear they are a sensible company by the seems of things, please do pass my details on to them as I am the one who made the true statements which are being falsely claimed as libelous and I will do everything I can to assist.</p>
<p>Would be very interested to see the letter your hosting firm has received &#8211; interestingly Richard Davies and Richard Davies have still failed to respond to the straight forward questions asked of them! I wonder if that is a sign of how genuine their comments are on this forum? I keep watching the forum with baited breath&#8230;</p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
<p>RV1</p>
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		<title>By: h</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-80615</link>
		<dc:creator>h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There I was thinking starting a blog was a good idea this stuff is freaking me out!! this is the kind of bull you get from people might need to quit while im ahead lol this stuff taking the fun outta blogging! good luck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There I was thinking starting a blog was a good idea this stuff is freaking me out!! this is the kind of bull you get from people might need to quit while im ahead lol this stuff taking the fun outta blogging! good luck</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-80542</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of points for deliberation.

1. I believe you cannot serve any legal notice in this country (UK) by email as it cannot be signed as such to prove ownership in a court of law. So any previous correspondance in terms of demands is irrelevant.

2. AndyM is spot on to my knowledge.  You can only libel someone if you state something about someone which is untrue and you do so in a public arena. However, repeating something someone else has said but turns out to be false is no defence against this.

3. Anyone who sends an email under a fake name is clearly either a spammer or has something to hide !.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points for deliberation.</p>
<p>1. I believe you cannot serve any legal notice in this country (UK) by email as it cannot be signed as such to prove ownership in a court of law. So any previous correspondance in terms of demands is irrelevant.</p>
<p>2. AndyM is spot on to my knowledge.  You can only libel someone if you state something about someone which is untrue and you do so in a public arena. However, repeating something someone else has said but turns out to be false is no defence against this.</p>
<p>3. Anyone who sends an email under a fake name is clearly either a spammer or has something to hide !.</p>
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		<title>By: GillsMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>GillsMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s very unusual for a lawyer or solicitor to provide a fake name.  On the basis of that alone I&#039;d be minded to ignore the warning as she&#039;s clearly not a professional - never mind the bullshit about Google removing links.  Yeah, good luck with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s very unusual for a lawyer or solicitor to provide a fake name.  On the basis of that alone I&#8217;d be minded to ignore the warning as she&#8217;s clearly not a professional &#8211; never mind the bullshit about Google removing links.  Yeah, good luck with that!</p>
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		<title>By: AndyM</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:30:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the saying - it&#039;s only libel/slander if it&#039;s not true.

I am a web host myself and have read this in the past in case I am ever contacted over a customer&#039;s web site. Luckily, so far this has not happened.

As long as you have given an honest account of what has happened, this article is not libellous and I believe anyone cannot demand that it be removed for this reason.

As for Google - take a look at the following article which also links to two documents on removing content from search results. As you will see, for sites in the US it states that Google does not remove defamatory content unless ordered by a court to do so.

http://webtechlaw.com/how-remove-defamatory-material-google

Obviously things may be different here in the UK, but I would not expect Google to remove it, or your host (at least not without notice). I certainly would not, not without proper legal documentation that I could hold in my hands (or if it was something obviously illegal).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the saying &#8211; it&#8217;s only libel/slander if it&#8217;s not true.</p>
<p>I am a web host myself and have read this in the past in case I am ever contacted over a customer&#8217;s web site. Luckily, so far this has not happened.</p>
<p>As long as you have given an honest account of what has happened, this article is not libellous and I believe anyone cannot demand that it be removed for this reason.</p>
<p>As for Google &#8211; take a look at the following article which also links to two documents on removing content from search results. As you will see, for sites in the US it states that Google does not remove defamatory content unless ordered by a court to do so.</p>
<p><a href="http://webtechlaw.com/how-remove-defamatory-material-google" rel="nofollow">http://webtechlaw.com/how-remove-defamatory-material-google</a></p>
<p>Obviously things may be different here in the UK, but I would not expect Google to remove it, or your host (at least not without notice). I certainly would not, not without proper legal documentation that I could hold in my hands (or if it was something obviously illegal).</p>
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		<title>By: Scribbler</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-79822</link>
		<dc:creator>Scribbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Landlord, you may want to update your disclaimer; it may help with problems like these.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Landlord, you may want to update your disclaimer; it may help with problems like these.</p>
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		<title>By: RomeoVictim</title>
		<link>http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/same-libel-threat-different-person-threatening-me/comment-page-1/#comment-79820</link>
		<dc:creator>RomeoVictim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Landlord

Despite the excitement of contact from Davies and Davies, still no update on a postal / service address to reach Richard James Davies or Romeo Bater Ltd other than a hotmail email account.

Does anyone know if Mr Davies Jr is sleeping under a wet windy London bridge or has fled to sunny Australia perhaps?

Can Mr Richard Morgan Davies confirm whether or not he is now speaking to or knows the whereabouts of his son and if Foresbrook, Butterfield Green, Luton is indeed where he is living or not?

There has been no answer to the simple question about &quot;where the missing rents and tenant deposits&quot; have gone, and considering the  previous comments made on this blog by Richard James Davies (2010-01-17 15:50:34):

(NB. Landlord please add a link if you can to the other comments section of the blog)

&quot;... my Father, Richard Morgan Davies had absolutely no knowledge of the financial straights that my company was in when I asked him to become a director and invest money into the company to open a second office.

I worked as hard as humanly possible to keep the company going to earn enough money to pay everyone back but the hole I was in was too deep.&quot;

And those of Richard Morgan Davies (2010-01-17 19:03:29):

&quot;Every body involved worked as hard as they could to keep things going, the fact that I lost my entire lifes savings proves that we took this very very seriously.The office rent and wage bills were just too big to sustain and the company went under.&quot; 
 
There is hence nothing to counter the personal opinions (that I am entitled to state here, but, as per all content of this post, are not necessarily those of the site owner, any moderator or other contributor of this site)&quot;

(a) That Richard James Davies could possibly have used the missing tenant rent and deposit monies discussed to fund the expansion of Romeo Bater Ltd, a business owned by him and his father, including those rent and wage bills &quot;that were just too big&quot; that Richard Davies Sr referenced in his own comment.

(b) That people may be wondering if Mr Richard Davies Jr or Sr were recipients of the wages that were (partial quote) &quot;just too big to sustain&quot; and that could possibly look to some observers as some form of dishonest personal gain?

(c) That maybe Mr Richard Morgan Davies was unfortunately as oblivious of his fiduciary duties as a Director of the company as he was of the business accounts prior to investing in the firm, for such a terrible turn of circumstances concluding in the loss of his life savings.

RV1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Landlord</p>
<p>Despite the excitement of contact from Davies and Davies, still no update on a postal / service address to reach Richard James Davies or Romeo Bater Ltd other than a hotmail email account.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if Mr Davies Jr is sleeping under a wet windy London bridge or has fled to sunny Australia perhaps?</p>
<p>Can Mr Richard Morgan Davies confirm whether or not he is now speaking to or knows the whereabouts of his son and if Foresbrook, Butterfield Green, Luton is indeed where he is living or not?</p>
<p>There has been no answer to the simple question about &#8220;where the missing rents and tenant deposits&#8221; have gone, and considering the  previous comments made on this blog by Richard James Davies (2010-01-17 15:50:34):</p>
<p>(NB. Landlord please add a link if you can to the other comments section of the blog)</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; my Father, Richard Morgan Davies had absolutely no knowledge of the financial straights that my company was in when I asked him to become a director and invest money into the company to open a second office.</p>
<p>I worked as hard as humanly possible to keep the company going to earn enough money to pay everyone back but the hole I was in was too deep.&#8221;</p>
<p>And those of Richard Morgan Davies (2010-01-17 19:03:29):</p>
<p>&#8220;Every body involved worked as hard as they could to keep things going, the fact that I lost my entire lifes savings proves that we took this very very seriously.The office rent and wage bills were just too big to sustain and the company went under.&#8221; </p>
<p>There is hence nothing to counter the personal opinions (that I am entitled to state here, but, as per all content of this post, are not necessarily those of the site owner, any moderator or other contributor of this site)&#8221;</p>
<p>(a) That Richard James Davies could possibly have used the missing tenant rent and deposit monies discussed to fund the expansion of Romeo Bater Ltd, a business owned by him and his father, including those rent and wage bills &#8220;that were just too big&#8221; that Richard Davies Sr referenced in his own comment.</p>
<p>(b) That people may be wondering if Mr Richard Davies Jr or Sr were recipients of the wages that were (partial quote) &#8220;just too big to sustain&#8221; and that could possibly look to some observers as some form of dishonest personal gain?</p>
<p>(c) That maybe Mr Richard Morgan Davies was unfortunately as oblivious of his fiduciary duties as a Director of the company as he was of the business accounts prior to investing in the firm, for such a terrible turn of circumstances concluding in the loss of his life savings.</p>
<p>RV1</p>
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