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		<title>By: Nakazawa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nakazawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please help.

My land lord is with holding  half my deposit for what he says is a soiled mattress (the apartment was furnished).   I believe this should fall under the category of general wear and tear (a new mattress cant stay new forever).  Anyway, he has never put my deposit into a holding scheme during our 6 month&#039;s tenancy.  I only want back my deposit has he broken the law, can we sue for our deposit back, or 3x&#039;s? or can we do nothing? nay help really appreciated.</description>
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<p>My land lord is with holding  half my deposit for what he says is a soiled mattress (the apartment was furnished).   I believe this should fall under the category of general wear and tear (a new mattress cant stay new forever).  Anyway, he has never put my deposit into a holding scheme during our 6 month&#8217;s tenancy.  I only want back my deposit has he broken the law, can we sue for our deposit back, or 3x&#8217;s? or can we do nothing? nay help really appreciated.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2011 17:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My landlord has just been ordered to pay my bond and a further 3 x the bond. However the landlord is appealing saying we are no longer tenants so the rule of 3 x does not apply??? Can anyone shed light on this matter please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My landlord has just been ordered to pay my bond and a further 3 x the bond. However the landlord is appealing saying we are no longer tenants so the rule of 3 x does not apply??? Can anyone shed light on this matter please</p>
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		<title>By: sheena</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im landlord of one property, i really didnt realise how vital it is for the me to protect the deposit my tenant gave me! 

He as been in the property for over two years and is currently living as statutory periodic tenancy. 

He is late with one months payment at the minute...i know he is at the property but hes ignoring all my efforts to contact him! 

I would love some advice...firstly with the tenant deposit...could i still put it into a protection scheme? secondly what procedure should i take with regards to him not paying rent and ignoring me. I live far away from him which makes matters more difficult. 

What notice do i have to give him to vacate the property...as i may have to move back into it in two months time. 

would be extremly greatful of any advice given

thankyou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im landlord of one property, i really didnt realise how vital it is for the me to protect the deposit my tenant gave me! </p>
<p>He as been in the property for over two years and is currently living as statutory periodic tenancy. </p>
<p>He is late with one months payment at the minute&#8230;i know he is at the property but hes ignoring all my efforts to contact him! </p>
<p>I would love some advice&#8230;firstly with the tenant deposit&#8230;could i still put it into a protection scheme? secondly what procedure should i take with regards to him not paying rent and ignoring me. I live far away from him which makes matters more difficult. </p>
<p>What notice do i have to give him to vacate the property&#8230;as i may have to move back into it in two months time. </p>
<p>would be extremly greatful of any advice given</p>
<p>thankyou</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 16:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say that the amount of landlords who are unaware of this scheme is shocking. If you are renting out a property, you must recognise that you are essentially running a small business, and actually take the time to do the necessary research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say that the amount of landlords who are unaware of this scheme is shocking. If you are renting out a property, you must recognise that you are essentially running a small business, and actually take the time to do the necessary research.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2011 20:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Received a very interesting email from a local letting agent relating to some recent changes in the legal precedent for taking LLs to court for failing to INFORM THE TENANT of the deposit protection scheme (apparently the notification from the scheme itself is not sufficient) Seems very draconian, but read it for yourselves and see what you think.


Deposit cases refuse to die!
 

It was generally thought, following the Universal Estates case and the Gladehurst case that most deposit issues had been resolved. Protection had to be completed by the court hearing date and tenants could not claim the three times the deposit penalty after the tenancy had ended.
 

Now in a new appeal case heard in the High Court, and therefore binding on county courts, new interpretation has emerged and a landlord has fallen foul of the deposit penalty legislation.

The landlords, Mr and Mrs Nice, let a property in Guildford to the tenant, Karin Suurpere for a fixed term of 6 months from 6 January 2009.

The tenancy being an assured shorthold tenancy, there was no question that the deposit should have been protected.

The tenancy ran poorly and there were complaints from other residents in the block. The tenant also complained the landlords were harassing her.

The landlords served two “notice to quit” but both were invalid for not being correctly completed.

The landlords did not protect the deposit till a letter was received from the local CAB. The landlords put the money in the custodial scheme on the 20 July and on the 21 July the scheme wrote to the tenant confirming receipt of the money and providing information about the scheme.

The tenant commenced legal proceedings on the 10 August 2009. The original judge, following the Draycott v Hannells judgement held that as the deposit was protected there was no penalty to pay.

Following the allegations of harassment the tenant vacated the property on the 14 August. At the trial hearing she was awarded £1,000 damages for harassment. She failed in a claim for unlawful eviction.

As the deposit was protected, this claim hinged on the failure to give the prescribed information, as stated in the Housing (Tenancy Deposits) (Prescribed Information) Order 2007. Much information was provided in the tenancy and by the scheme but at no point was clear, specific prescribed information given.

This was therefore not a claim about the meeting of a 14 day deadline but about it not being done at all, or in the right manner. Also the deposit was returned in full on the 1 September 2009

The tenants knew which scheme the deposit was in and had been provided with the deposit reference number and the address of the scheme where more information was available.

There were a number of important issues raised. Firstly, the penalty for not providing the prescribed information continued, even though the deposit was returned in full.

Secondly, the court held that the information provided to the tenant by the scheme was not satisfactory to comply with the prescribed information requirements. The legislation was specific that the obligation to provide this information was personal to the landlord, therefore excluding the scheme doing it. It should be understood that the definition of the landlord contained in the legislation includes a letting agent acting on the landlord’s behalf. Therefore, prescribed information could be given by the agent.
 

Thirdly, not all of the information listed in the prescribed information legislation had been provided. Partial provision was not sufficient to comply with the legal requirements.

Fourthly, providing a link to the website of the scheme was not sufficient to comply with the information requirements. The landlord has no control over the content and the legislation very clearly requires the landlord to certify that the information provided is true to the best of the landlord’s knowledge and belief. With a web site that could change, outside the control of the landlord, it was impossible for the landlord to confirm the veracity of the information on the web site.

The judge also said this solution was not acceptable as some tenants would not have internet access.

Being a High Court case, county courts are bound by it and it has made compliance with the prescribed information much more difficult and more important too. Failure caused this landlord to have to pay the penalty of three times the deposit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Received a very interesting email from a local letting agent relating to some recent changes in the legal precedent for taking LLs to court for failing to INFORM THE TENANT of the deposit protection scheme (apparently the notification from the scheme itself is not sufficient) Seems very draconian, but read it for yourselves and see what you think.</p>
<p>Deposit cases refuse to die!</p>
<p>It was generally thought, following the Universal Estates case and the Gladehurst case that most deposit issues had been resolved. Protection had to be completed by the court hearing date and tenants could not claim the three times the deposit penalty after the tenancy had ended.</p>
<p>Now in a new appeal case heard in the High Court, and therefore binding on county courts, new interpretation has emerged and a landlord has fallen foul of the deposit penalty legislation.</p>
<p>The landlords, Mr and Mrs Nice, let a property in Guildford to the tenant, Karin Suurpere for a fixed term of 6 months from 6 January 2009.</p>
<p>The tenancy being an assured shorthold tenancy, there was no question that the deposit should have been protected.</p>
<p>The tenancy ran poorly and there were complaints from other residents in the block. The tenant also complained the landlords were harassing her.</p>
<p>The landlords served two “notice to quit” but both were invalid for not being correctly completed.</p>
<p>The landlords did not protect the deposit till a letter was received from the local CAB. The landlords put the money in the custodial scheme on the 20 July and on the 21 July the scheme wrote to the tenant confirming receipt of the money and providing information about the scheme.</p>
<p>The tenant commenced legal proceedings on the 10 August 2009. The original judge, following the Draycott v Hannells judgement held that as the deposit was protected there was no penalty to pay.</p>
<p>Following the allegations of harassment the tenant vacated the property on the 14 August. At the trial hearing she was awarded £1,000 damages for harassment. She failed in a claim for unlawful eviction.</p>
<p>As the deposit was protected, this claim hinged on the failure to give the prescribed information, as stated in the Housing (Tenancy Deposits) (Prescribed Information) Order 2007. Much information was provided in the tenancy and by the scheme but at no point was clear, specific prescribed information given.</p>
<p>This was therefore not a claim about the meeting of a 14 day deadline but about it not being done at all, or in the right manner. Also the deposit was returned in full on the 1 September 2009</p>
<p>The tenants knew which scheme the deposit was in and had been provided with the deposit reference number and the address of the scheme where more information was available.</p>
<p>There were a number of important issues raised. Firstly, the penalty for not providing the prescribed information continued, even though the deposit was returned in full.</p>
<p>Secondly, the court held that the information provided to the tenant by the scheme was not satisfactory to comply with the prescribed information requirements. The legislation was specific that the obligation to provide this information was personal to the landlord, therefore excluding the scheme doing it. It should be understood that the definition of the landlord contained in the legislation includes a letting agent acting on the landlord’s behalf. Therefore, prescribed information could be given by the agent.</p>
<p>Thirdly, not all of the information listed in the prescribed information legislation had been provided. Partial provision was not sufficient to comply with the legal requirements.</p>
<p>Fourthly, providing a link to the website of the scheme was not sufficient to comply with the information requirements. The landlord has no control over the content and the legislation very clearly requires the landlord to certify that the information provided is true to the best of the landlord’s knowledge and belief. With a web site that could change, outside the control of the landlord, it was impossible for the landlord to confirm the veracity of the information on the web site.</p>
<p>The judge also said this solution was not acceptable as some tenants would not have internet access.</p>
<p>Being a High Court case, county courts are bound by it and it has made compliance with the prescribed information much more difficult and more important too. Failure caused this landlord to have to pay the penalty of three times the deposit.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Beames</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather Beames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 19:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOdgers - hi does anyone know if the secure deposit scheme/loaw is applicable to lodgers with live in LL as well as shorthold tenants?

Also are there anspecific background checks that you need to do for European - Polish - lodgers? 

Thanksy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOdgers &#8211; hi does anyone know if the secure deposit scheme/loaw is applicable to lodgers with live in LL as well as shorthold tenants?</p>
<p>Also are there anspecific background checks that you need to do for European &#8211; Polish &#8211; lodgers? </p>
<p>Thanksy</p>
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		<title>By: Chrissy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrissy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im coming upto my 2nd renting a house from a landlord that doesn&#039;t pay his mortgage often , I had a debt collector agent for his bank on the doorstep asking to speak to my LL about his big arrears.
I paid my deposit and months deposit upfront, I waited a month heard nothing from deposit scheme I emailed my LL asked can he secure my deposit he said No! He keeps it so it&#039;s quicker to pay it back to me!!! 
He has no money so kept it pats it back when he gets new deposit from next Tenant.
The house is damp I&#039;ve children he just cleans and paints over damp?
I am now waiting to move out but I feel he should be fined 3 times the deposit for not paying the mortgage and letting the damp continue but I know he&#039;ll get out if it So I&#039;m going to move out and tell him after on my last month keep my deposit as my last months rent! He can&#039;t do anything as he&#039;s broken the law.

I&#039;ve also been a LL and there are some awful tenants and I&#039;ve been a tenant that pays early decorates and puts new carpets down but my LL is disrespectful so I have been on both sides 
As in life there&#039;s good n bad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im coming upto my 2nd renting a house from a landlord that doesn&#8217;t pay his mortgage often , I had a debt collector agent for his bank on the doorstep asking to speak to my LL about his big arrears.<br />
I paid my deposit and months deposit upfront, I waited a month heard nothing from deposit scheme I emailed my LL asked can he secure my deposit he said No! He keeps it so it&#8217;s quicker to pay it back to me!!!<br />
He has no money so kept it pats it back when he gets new deposit from next Tenant.<br />
The house is damp I&#8217;ve children he just cleans and paints over damp?<br />
I am now waiting to move out but I feel he should be fined 3 times the deposit for not paying the mortgage and letting the damp continue but I know he&#8217;ll get out if it So I&#8217;m going to move out and tell him after on my last month keep my deposit as my last months rent! He can&#8217;t do anything as he&#8217;s broken the law.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also been a LL and there are some awful tenants and I&#8217;ve been a tenant that pays early decorates and puts new carpets down but my LL is disrespectful so I have been on both sides<br />
As in life there&#8217;s good n bad</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Mcewen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Mcewen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 14:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta agree with you Sean! In the last two years have moved twice cause of ruthless landlords.One house we were given long term,decorated and did garden etc then after 6 months landlord said she wanted property back!Went through court etc but no help for us.Luckily we have a great landlord now who also knows she has great tenants who will look after the property..but i was put through hell by previous landlords who just wanted to screw me for every penny and evict when i had improved the place.So i would say whilst there are troublesome tenants there are also an equal..if not more than equal..amount of horrible nasty landlords out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta agree with you Sean! In the last two years have moved twice cause of ruthless landlords.One house we were given long term,decorated and did garden etc then after 6 months landlord said she wanted property back!Went through court etc but no help for us.Luckily we have a great landlord now who also knows she has great tenants who will look after the property..but i was put through hell by previous landlords who just wanted to screw me for every penny and evict when i had improved the place.So i would say whilst there are troublesome tenants there are also an equal..if not more than equal..amount of horrible nasty landlords out there.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2011 13:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bit strong Andrew do you not think.

I am currently being shafted by my LL it&#039;s not all tenants that are the SCUM as you so nicely put it.

The majority of the LL out there are money grabbing arseholes (excuse my French), that couldn&#039;t give a toss how their tenants are treated.

I am currently in the process of taking in LL to court for how I have been treated!

I would suggest vetting your tenants more thoroughly next time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bit strong Andrew do you not think.</p>
<p>I am currently being shafted by my LL it&#8217;s not all tenants that are the SCUM as you so nicely put it.</p>
<p>The majority of the LL out there are money grabbing arseholes (excuse my French), that couldn&#8217;t give a toss how their tenants are treated.</p>
<p>I am currently in the process of taking in LL to court for how I have been treated!</p>
<p>I would suggest vetting your tenants more thoroughly next time!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Preece</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Preece</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jul 2011 13:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I bought a house 15 years ago with a joint mortgage with my girlfriend. Three months after moving in, she told me to get out so she could move the next boyfriend in with her. To her surprise,  I refused. To my surprise, the Police arrested me half a dozen times for being beaten up by her family. The end result is that neither of us live in the house, she contributes nothing and I pay the mortgage by renting it out.
Just about every tenant that I have had has left it like a pig stye, and I have spent thousands of pounds redecorating and replacing furniture. There is absolutely no point at all in taking a bond, if you have to pass it strieght on to the Government scheme who will almost automatically give it back to the tenents regardless of what state they leave the house in. The only person who is punished is the lanlord. I can not wait to get rid this house and will never trust any one who rents property again. SCUM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bought a house 15 years ago with a joint mortgage with my girlfriend. Three months after moving in, she told me to get out so she could move the next boyfriend in with her. To her surprise,  I refused. To my surprise, the Police arrested me half a dozen times for being beaten up by her family. The end result is that neither of us live in the house, she contributes nothing and I pay the mortgage by renting it out.<br />
Just about every tenant that I have had has left it like a pig stye, and I have spent thousands of pounds redecorating and replacing furniture. There is absolutely no point at all in taking a bond, if you have to pass it strieght on to the Government scheme who will almost automatically give it back to the tenents regardless of what state they leave the house in. The only person who is punished is the lanlord. I can not wait to get rid this house and will never trust any one who rents property again. SCUM.</p>
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