Can I Stop My Filthy Tenant From Smoking?

Smoking Kills

Smoking. I don’t get it (and nor should you!).

I remember trying my first ciggy at the tender age of 14. I was in the midst of a tragic family holiday in Magaluf (my parents were blissfully unaware of Magaluf’s reputation). Great holiday.

I wasn’t bullied into taking my first drag (which seems to be a common justification), but I was surrounded by people my age that seemed to enjoy it, which lead me to give it a whirl. My first draw was pretty stereotypical; I choked like a bitch and screwed my face up like I was sucking on a bitter nutsack, and my initial thought was, “what the fuck is this revolting shit?” I genuinely couldn’t fathom why people were doing it (and still can’t to this day). It didn’t taste of anything but smoke; it gave me head-rush, and I almost sliced my tongue in half during my coughing fit. I was expecting better things! I was expecting my taste buds to extract at least one enjoyable fruity flavour from the cocktail of smoke. Alas, my taste buds shrivelled, died and laid there disappointed like a floppy penis. My confusion only grew as I got older, because I started to get educated about all the negatives and the distinct lack of a single positive.

Cigarette manufacturers must spend half their time rolling around on the floor in raging fits of laughter, while spending the other half counting their billions and being surrounded by strippers, head to balls. They’re supplying society with a commodity that literally costs pennies to produce, tastes like shit and provides the human body with zero value. The best part is, the main ingredient is addictive so it’s always in demand. Amusing.

As a non-smoker and anti-smoking activist, I can detect the scent of smoke quite easily, even from someone that consumed a cigarette several hours ago. It’s a trick that smokers seem to be phased by. Most smokers are generally delusional to how potent the smell of smoke is, and they think their tainted, disjointed and useless sense of smell can compete with a non-smokers. My ex used to lie about smoking all the time and it made for very amusing encounters. “You’ve had a ciggerate, I can smell it all over you”, I would say. She would then sniff her fingers and shove them under my nose, “No, I haven’t…here, smell them” Of course, it stunk of smoke, and probably salmon, but she had no idea.

I despise smoking, but not only for the health risks, but also for the destructive risks they cause for landlords. Smoking increases the risk of fire and the long-term smells and stains they leave behind can be detrimental to future lets. Not to mention, removing the trace of smoke can be an expensive fix.

Can I stop my tenant from smoking?

In reality, there’s probably nothing a landlord can be do to stop a tenant from smoking in the property, even if the tenant signed a tenancy agreement which states that smoking is not permitted inside the property. The landlord’s grounds to evict the tenant for breach of the lease (Ground 12: The tenant has broken one or more of the terms of the tenancy agreement, except the obligation to pay rent.) are enforced at the discretion of the court, and a court is very unlikely to grant possession because the tenant is smoking in the property, especially if the tenant is paying rent on time. As far as I’m concerned, the law definitely needs to change. But at this point of time, it’s probably not worth trying to go down the legal route if you want to evict your tenant for smoking inside the property. You’ll most likely end up throwing money down the drain.

Easyroommate.co.uk conducted a survey which found that 38% of private landlords would evict tenants who smoked inside their property to rent. However, I doubt any of those landlords actually have evicted a tenant for that reason.

In the event where you have caught your tenant smoking inside, or you suspect they have been, the best approach is to ask them to only smoke outside. Nicely, of course.

Can I use the deposit to pay for damages caused by smoking?

You may have grounds to use the deposit for a professional clean at the end of the tenancy to remove any stains caused to interior walls and fabrics by smoking. However, in order to enforce this, you may need to rely on a good inventory which was drawn up at the beginning of the tenancy. Otherwise it may be difficult to prove that the damage was caused by the tenant. Of course, if the tenants are decent human beings, they could just accept liability and cover the expenses.

Ways to prevent tenants from smoking

As said, it’s extremely difficult to prevent a tenant from smoking inside the property, so the best solution is to try and tackle the problem at the early stages- during the tenant finding stage. Essentially, finding a tenant that doesn’t smoke is the best solution (but even that can be tricky these days).

  • Ensure that all your adverts clearly state that you’re looking for NON-SMOKING tenants only
  • During the viewing, ask your tenants if they smoke, and remind them that smoking is not permitted inside the property
  • Most tenants know that most landlords are looking for tenants that don’t smoke, so they will often bend the truth as their choices are limited otherwise. In this case, try and look for signs for smoking habits during the viewing. As said, the smell of smoke generally grips onto clothing and hair for its dear life
  • While it may prove to be futile, it’s still worth putting a clause in the tenancy agreement which states that smoking inside the property is not permitted. It’s also worth going through all the clauses with the tenant just before they sign the tenancy, so they’re reminded of the clause.
Smoking in shared houses (HMO’s)

The regulations for smoking in HMO’s (House with multiple occupancy) somewhat varies. The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007 make it an offence to smoke in the shared parts of residential premises. This could include hallways, corridors, kitchens, bathrooms etc.

Do you allow these filthy cretens to rent your property? Also, have you had any experiences regarding this issue? If so, share, please :)

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Maria2012-08-11 10:30:14

WAYS TO PREVENT TENANTS FROM SMOKING.

"... it’s still worth putting a clause in the tenancy agreement which states that smoking inside the property is not prohibited."

Not prohibited?
You probably mean NOT PERMITTED?

We used to have a Guest House, ages ago. And on the forms the guests had to fill out it clearly stated that smoking in the room, was strictly PROHIBITED.
And that they would allow us to charge their credit card for complete steam-cleaning of curtains, mattresses, carpets, walls, etc, costs of which estimated EUR 600 per room.
We never had to .....

These days smoke detectors would be an easier way, I guess. Or even a non-connected detector glued to the ceiling.

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The Landlord2012-08-11 15:59:01

Hey Maria,

Yeah, my mistake, I meant not permitted. In my head I read "permitted" as well. I've corrected it now! Thanks for pointing it out.

Not sure how effective installing smoke detectors to prevent smoking would be, because you'd have to put a smoke alarm in every room, which would be expensive. Also, I doubt it would be legal to put up "duff" smoke alarms! If a fire did occur and the alarms didn't go off, the landlord would probably get sued the crap out of.

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YesAdam2012-08-14 17:50:47

To avoid rental void then do not put adverts saying no smokeing. it will alianate a lot of potential tenants.

you talk about health risks, but dont say why you discriminate against smokers in your property?

At end of the day its up to Landlord to request and Tenant to lie or smoke in garden.

I find this a very minor issue due to fire alarms these days being compulsory.

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The Landlord2012-08-14 17:58:22

@yesAdam,

I clearly state why I don't accept smokers. "Smoking increases the risk of fire and the long-term smells and stains they leave behind can be detrimental to future lets. Not to mention, removing the trace of smoke can be an expensive fix."

Smoke alarms are compulsory, but not in every room! In general, smoke alarms are installed in hallways and landings, and not in key social areas. It's advised not to install smoke alarms in kitchens, but just outside; making the kitchen the perfect venue to smoke. Hallways and landings are popular choices because they're usually gateways to bedrooms, so each bedroom becomes an easy option as well. Unless you install a smoke alarm in every room, saying that smoke alarms will prevent tenants from smoking isn't entirely true, in my opinion. It's easy to close a door and light up without triggering smoke alarms.

I've personally NEVER had problems finding non-smoking tenants.

Either way, the landlord has the right to decline tenants that smoke, because it's a destructive lifestyle.

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Maria2012-08-14 18:55:56

We stated on the website: NON-SMOKERS OVER THE AGE OF 16 ARE WELCOME.
That was always clear enough and there was never an empty room!

Smoking in a building where also non-smokers can be found is NEVER discriminatory. If only for health reasons.
Smokers can do whatever they want in the privacy of their OWN house. I fail to see why that would be considered discriminatory.

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Benji2012-08-15 09:12:02

YesAdam and The Landlord,

"due to fire alarms these days being compulsory."

"Smoke alarms are compulsory"

Smoke alarms are not compulsory.

http://blog.painsmith.co.uk/2012/05/30/fire-safety-revisited/
'Fire Safety revisited
We have had a few queries regarding the Fire Safety (Protection of Tenants) Bill on which we have previously blogged, and so here is our update: the Bill failed to complete its passage through Parliament before the end of the session. This means the Bill will make no further progress and will not become law.

To recap, this was “a bill to require landlords to provide smoke alarms in rented accommodation; and connected purposes”. All landlords were to be required to install a mains operated battery backed smoke alarm before the tenancy agreement is signed.'

Please dont bother responding with "Best practice, HMO's, HHSR's, built after, commercial use, blah blah"

Smoke alarms are not compulsory, your blanket statements to the contrary are both incorrect.

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Benji2012-08-15 10:22:22

The Landlord,

"Smoking increases the risk of fire and the long-term smells and stains they leave behind can be detrimental to future lets. Not to mention, removing the trace of smoke can be an expensive fix."

Is all fair and reasonable.

However, banning smokers because you despise smoking and believe it is a destructive lifestyle is just being a power crazy control freak.

Its the tenants home FFS.

Whats next on the megalomaniac agenda?
No drinking? No fry ups or kebabs? No sunbathing? No motor vehicles? No X factor? No shagging on a Sunday?

Get a grip man!

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YesAdam2012-08-15 10:25:24

Sorry Landlord, I must have skipped that bit. It is a Fire Risk and does leave smells. The latter I don't find an issue with a lick of fresh paint after six months.

Benji, It is due to common law 'duty of care' means that Landlords and their Agents could be liable should a fire cause injury or damage. In addition Benji, what does your Insurance say about Smoke Alarms? .. If they are not fitted its very likely it is void.

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The Landlord2012-08-15 10:42:04

Yeah, exactly, YesAdam. Landlords are under a common law duty to ensure that the property they provide is safe.

@Benji
What you talking about? Refusing smokers is a reasonable request, as is refusing tenants with large pets e.g. dogs.

I don't "think" smoking is a destructive life style, it's a "fact"

YOU need to get a grip.

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Maria2012-08-15 10:47:22

@ BENJI

It stinks (everywhere).
It is a health hazard.
It is a fire hazard.
It increases maintenance costs.

If you're a smoker in a building that allows it, you'll worry less about your smoke bothering your neighbors when you live on the top floor.
However, if you don't smoke and your landlord allows it, a smoking tenant one floor below you can cause not only a nuisance but a health hazard. Smoke, like heat, rises, and cigarette smoke can infiltrate your apartment through shared pipes or duct work.

When non of the other tenants in the building care, and
So if I were the Landlord I would make sure that the rent covers full renovation of the apartment at the end of the contract.

But hey, it is not difficult to find non-smokers these days.

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Benji2012-08-15 11:07:38

YesAdam,
I don't particularly disagree with any of that but your earlier blanket statement that smoke alarms are compulsory is incorrect.

In some countries they are compulsory but here parliament has clearly decided against it.

Personally I would always fit hard wired alarms and check them at the start of a tenancy but I draw the line at monthly checks. Tenants are adults with responsibility for their own safety, perhaps that is what parliament intended?

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Benji2012-08-15 11:36:17

The Landlord,

"Refusing smokers is a reasonable request,"

Entirely reasonable when it is done for sound reasons, as I said earlier.

What isn't reasonable is dictating your beliefs to tenants because you are in a position of power. You are not their careworker/surrogate parent.

Incidentally, a tenant once threatened legal action against me for retaining the deposit due to smoking in the property, contrary to the AST (about 60 a day between them). They were advised to back down when I provided an independent inventory report, video and bills for new carpets, curtains and re decorating. That was pre TDS days so the tenant would have faced large legal costs to pursue, nowadays it is free so tenants have nothing to lose by trying it on.

@Maria, Agreed.

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The Landlord2012-08-15 12:06:27

Wait, what? Again, what are you talking about? I'm not "dictating" my beliefs. I'm not telling anyone they can or can't smoke; i'm not revoking someone's right to smoke. The fact I despise smoking has nothing to do with my decision.

I don't refuse smokers because I despise it. Where did I say that? Tell me. I simply said I despise smoking, and then explained how it's detrimental to landlords/property.

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Benji2012-08-15 12:45:12

"I'm not telling anyone they can or can't smoke/
/I don't refuse smokers because I despise it. Where did I say that? Tell me"

Quote:-

"Tenant cannot be a smoker/
/Smoking is a disgusting habit. I don’t want to associate with disgusting people. You cannot be a smoker."

Go on have a fag, it might chill you out.
Hugz, Benji (non smoker BTW)

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The Landlord2012-08-15 13:00:25

Is your brain/keyboard malfunctioning? You've literally just made up a quote.

You're struggling. This is sad. You've fabricated a conversation that never happened.

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Eric Walker2012-08-15 13:06:21

I don't accept tennats that smoke either and ive never had a problem finding tenants. fortunately theres enough people in society that don't smoke.

I also understood it as you rejecting smoking tenants because of the damage it causes and not because you hate the habit. I don't suppose it matters why tho, a landlord still should have the right to choose.

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John C2012-08-15 13:23:47

Hey Landlord, its been a while. I tweeted you the other day about my new idea did you get it?

I personally don't mind if my tenants smoke or not but i do get the argument.

Benji it seems like your not all there. I read the article and all the comments and you seem to have read something different to everyone else lol. this was clearly about the damagae smoking causes.

Regards,
John

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Benji2012-08-15 16:01:47

The Landlord,

"Is your brain/keyboard malfunctioning? You've literally just made up a quote.
You're struggling. This is sad. You've fabricated a conversation that never happened."

Au contraire me old mate, you said it here-

http://www.propertyinvestmentproject.co.uk/blog/landlord-search-for-tenants/

"Tenant cannot be a smoker/
/Smoking is a disgusting habit. I don’t want to associate with disgusting people. You cannot be a smoker."

Slightly out of context admittedly, but it does point to you being just a tiny bit power crazed.

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Maria2012-08-15 16:14:44

@ BENJI

I fear that you may have overlooked a certain amount of Irony* in that article, where The Landlord is in search of the absolute POIFECT tenant.

*NOUN, irony [I-ru-nee]

Witty language used to convey insults or scorn, esp. saying one thing but implying the opposite. e.g. "irony is wasted on the stupid"

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Benji2012-08-15 17:06:03

Maria,
I did say "Slightly out of context admittedly".
It looks like Oscar was right.

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Lee2012-08-24 13:44:19

I will never get why people smoke and i have to agree that smoking inside is wrong if you do not own the property. The best way to deal with it is kindly and politely. Not in a aggressive manner. If you ask nicely and point out that you don't like smoking, hopefully they will listen and keep their death sticks outside.

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bids that give2012-08-26 10:24:38

I personally don't mind if my tenants smoke or not but i do get the argument. Smoking is a disgusting habit.

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Jeremy2012-08-29 22:52:34

@Landlord

Ask for tenants who have no fingers or thumbs. I think it must be really difficult to smoke if you haven't got any fingers or thumbs. How do you hold the little stick of death? How fo you light it?

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Armin2012-08-30 08:35:31

You are all missing Landlord's real intention.

This attitude ties in with Landlord's sex-for-rent scheme. Can't say that I blame him, who wants to kiss someone tasting like an ash tray?

By disallowing smokers as tenants Landlord is simply increasing his potential breeding stock.

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Jeremy2012-08-30 22:24:14

Hello Armin,

Of course, how stupid of me

But Landlord really needs to explore doing things differently. If he had smokers as tenants and did the sex-for-rent using the doggie position, he'd not need to do any kissing.

And he could even rest the rent book on the small of her back, so he could complete details of the deposit at the same time.

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Peter2012-08-31 11:46:04

As an ex-smoker I totally agree with Maria:

It stinks (everywhere).
It is a health hazard.
It is a fire hazard.
It increases maintenance costs.
It devaluates the property and furniture.
Oh, and did I mention that it stinks?

I don't care when people want to ruin their own health, as long as they do it in their own area. There are enough smokers who rent out apartments.

We have always put in clauses that prohibits smoking anywhere in the building, even in the apartment they rent.
They agree with professional cleaning of the apartment, which is roughly EUR 1000 these days.
In our new building we have installed smoke detectors everywhere.

Get a good lawyer who draws up the contract and you'll be OK.

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ruphilyn2012-10-17 11:56:31

Well, for me you can't just stop your tenants from smoking but you can give them a space or a place where they can smoke not just anywhere around the property but a designated place to smoke so that you can prevent any damages it will cause to your property.

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Smoker2013-06-21 15:52:23

As a smoker, I have to fill in a few key points.

First of all, No smoke alarm will ever go off due to cigarette smoke, unless you were smoking like 5 at a time, and blowing smoke directly at it.
In any well ventilated room, ie one with an open window, the level of smoke is simply undetectable by them.

The flat I currently rent has a combination of ionising and optical smoke alarms fitted in every room except the bathroom, and the kitchen has a heat detecting alarm.
Even in winter, with the windows closed They have NEVER gone off due to smoking.
Burnt toast on the other hand, produces an almost instant reaction.

The other points I do however agree with.
It is an increased fire risk, particularly from morons who smoke in bed. (Personally I like to keep my bedroom door closed and smoke free anyway)
At the end of each tenancy, I will generally wash all of the walls and ceilings with sugar soap, rent a carpet cleaner to clean carpets to prevent the landlords needing to have them professionally cleaned, and air the building by opening literally every window for about a week before I vacate.

I have never caused a fire, and have never had any deposit withheld, even in flats which clearly stated non smoking in the AST agreement.

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Rachel2013-08-30 13:56:40

Dear landlord,

I am renting a flat that was advertised for "non smokers only" however the downstairs neighbour smokes like a chimney so consequently my flat absolutely stinks. This neighbour is home all day and has a lovely outside area which he never sets foot in.

I asked him very nicely would he consider going outside which he did all for of 5 minutes but it is bad as ever again. I have spoken with the landlord who is not happy with him smoking and he has also spoken with him. He did however inherit this tenant so I would like to know if anything can be done legally as ive told the landlord that his advert was misleading and he can't rent out one flat to a non smoker and allow the downstairs neighbour to carry on smoking as that will never work.

Im sick of hearing what can't be done especially when I have to go and stand in the street at midnite just to be able to breathe as the selfish, inconsiderate git smokes in his bedroom also.

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Dave2013-09-12 20:25:27

I thin k you all want to get off your high horse. You come across to me as being a powermonger that tries to bully your opinion on others. You don't like it?? then don't do it in your property. However If you are renting a property to a tenant or not you cannot restrict their lifestyle and by law whether there is a non-smoking clause or not in the tenancy, it contravenes a humans right to smoke if they chose to. You can stick as many clauses as you want in but ultimately there is not a thing you can do about it. I find it insulting that you would even attempt to persuade me to live my life any way other than the way I choose to. Any decent tenant would give a property a full clean down after use no matter how clean or dirty it is. People like you just infuriate me with the whole "I'm better than you and you should follow me" attitude. Grow up and get a hobby or something!!

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BilderbergRothschild2013-09-15 00:38:59

This article is an exercise in condescension from the middlemen of a nanny state. The author is a little pussy who'll die before most smokers due to the high probability he wipes his dick with dettol before and after a wank.
It would be more relevant to ban the drinking of diet coke or consumption of canderell but being such a little bitch of state, he wouldn't comprehend why I said this.
Mind your own business and stop assuming that a pissy property market, and an inheritance bestows any 'right to dictate', you money grabbing Bourgeoisie ballbag.

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Frank2013-09-15 20:17:30

@ BilderbergRothschild

Let me guess, you're a smoke-addict as well?
To be Frank, I do not understand why you this, or anything else, for that matter.

Smoke and smokers stink (everywhere).
Smoke and smokers are a health hazard.
Smoke and smokers are a fire hazard.
Smoke and smokers increase maintenance costs.

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BilderbergRothschild2013-09-15 22:56:52

Never smoked in my life Franky, (I will let you 'be Frank') but I have an issue with self-righteousness posing as fact - if you cared about a tenants health etc, you would approach them on terms they understood and could relate to, but instead you passively insult people with terms a fanny like you would find offence in, like 'stink' :/
Well a stinking little pussyhole like you tends to find some weak legislation to hide behind because you don't have the mental or physical fortitude to say 'this is my opinion and I will defend it'
Fact of it is, you are a cunt.
You've not achieved anything but have inherited a luxury most people work their entire life for, essentially, your life peaked when your parents died.
That is pretty fucking pathetic.
Plus, Frank, you lack the general intelligence to form a sentence "why you this, or anything else for that matter"
Leeching fucking idiot

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oekldew2013-09-20 19:15:54

Treating them like human beings and not calling them filthy would be a start. Just politely ask them to smoke outside it's not hard.

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Stace2013-10-10 19:36:17

Dear landlord,

I found this article whilst googling whether tenancy agreements should explicitly refer to smoking, and, if not, whether smoking was implicitly allowed.

Instead of some helpful forum, I found this page of self-righteous rancour. I read on, fascinated.

Smoking creates wrinkles, can cause mood swings (because of withdrawal) and it can repel people who don't agree with it. And you know what else does all that? Being an insulting doctrinaire.

Therefore, please be advised that you are free to advertise clearly and loudly that you do not want smokers to inhabit your flat. You can even include it in the tenancy agreement and call it a breach of contract.

Although, in all fairness, you might have to ask yourself: would it be better if your property smelled of smoke or smugness?

I suppose you might want to assess the bias of the above. Yes, I am a smoker, and no, I don't smoke inside. Also, I am certainly aware of whether myself or others smell of smoke. I have not forsaken my "useless" sense of smell.

Finally, YOU, dear fellow are the kind of guy who called every single one of your smoker friends (assuming they exist), on the day of the smoking ban and invited them out for a pint (indoors), to gloat. You might want to drop the bigotry and chill a bit, landlord.

Sincerely Yours,

A tenant and filthy cretin (spelt with an "i", you creten)

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Cello-Tenant2013-10-11 20:23:32

I am a smoker. I am a tenant. Like many people who fall into this category, I respect the fact that most non-smokers find my habit offensive. So I don't smoke in public places or in the company of non-smokers. I do smoke in my home - it may not have my name on the title deeds, but it is MY HOME by written agreement. I smoke outside during the summers months, I restrict smoking to one room in the house, and I leave the window open whenever possible - even in the winter. I repaint the room in which I smoke every 12 months, I keep it clean, and I wash the curtains every couple of months.

Your bigoted attitude is reprehensible. I'd feel inclined to break my no smoking around non-smokers rule if I met you in person. If I'm going to be labelled a filthy cretin by someone who knows nothing about me and is happy to form a strong opinion about me based on one thing about me, I might as well play up to the stereotype. Perhaps that is why you find smokers so vile: your holier than thou attitude makes it irresistible to spark up and blow a smoky raspberry at you.

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Current Tenantave2013-11-26 08:56:45

I am a tenant in a block of residential flats - we have a no smoking policy which is great but due to partly darkness, partly somewhere to sit and the fact that the front step to the building has a light and is more comfortable - the smokers are sitting on the step and smoking

I don't mind this and I am happier that they are safe, BUT every week I have to clear up cigarette butts from the garden, the drains and the front step is being used as an ashtray - we provided sand buckets but it is seemingly too much effort to use the buckets as ashtrays and the step looks disgusting

I have to go through official channels which makes more of an issue due to snotty official letters - but short of putting up a note to ask nicely to not use the front step as an ashtray (and yes I have to pick words carefully or alienate people)

So my question is this - how far away from a building are smokers supposed to stand? Can this be used as a more official way to ask them nicely to care about the building looking nice for visitors and to just stop littering the grounds

Apparently as a non smoker it is my job to put up with it not the smokers job to clear up after themselves

Any advice would be appreciated

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Jaroslav2014-01-04 12:50:53

After reading the discussion, I have decided to rent my property to non-smokers only. The reason is that I do not want to deal with people who have the attitude as described below:

"Fact of it is, you are a cunt."

"Go on have a fag, it might chill you out."

"banning smokers because you despise smoking and believe it is a destructive lifestyle is just being a power crazy control freak."

"No shagging on a Sunday?"

"you passively insult people with terms a fanny like you would find offence in, like 'stink'" - I am sorry my friend, but the smoke really stinks, that is a fact.

"Well a stinking little pussyhole like you tends to find some weak legislation"

"I'd feel inclined to break my no smoking around non-smokers rule if I met you in person."

"The author is a little pussy who'll die before most smokers due to the high probability he wipes his dick with dettol before and after a wank."

"You come across to me as being a powermonger that tries to bully your opinion on others."

"This attitude ties in with Landlord's sex-for-rent scheme."

"you being just a tiny bit power crazed."

"Treating them like human beings and not calling them filthy would be a start." - Please read the quotes above, and see how often they refer to genitals or intercourse. I am sorry to say that, but filthy is the correct word for certain human beings.

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I always ask nicely2014-01-05 10:54:40

Indeed - As a reasonable person - I posted here a few weeks ago, happy to report that just asking the smokers to not smoke at the front of the house has made all the difference - visitors now don't have to walk through the dirt or bring it inside. It only took 6 months of asking but at least we have a resolution and I am prepared to turn a blind eye to mess at the back in exchange

Just to be clear though, I don't despise the habit of smoking but I do despise the habit of littering

What you do in your own home is up to you but in a public place - have some respect for others - I know plenty of smokers who agree with me and aren't like this at all

So please - smokers - stop being so defensive and just take responsibility for any mess or litter you may leave behind you - I would expect the same if you saw me spit my gum out on the front step or drop litter that is considered to be litter on the street - but I wouldn't feel persecuted as many people seem to when you ask them nicely to stop doing things as it is fair enough - I am also emotionally mature enough to accept that some of the shit I do is not acceptable to everyone and I chose to live in a shared block of flats so there is a bit of give and take in this life hey?

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